Setting and influencing the dice roll is just part of the picture. To beat the dice you have to know how to bet the dice. Whether you call it a "system," a "strategy," or just a way to play - this is the place to discuss it.
If Consultant showed the other side of the Put-bet coin, like employing >5x-Odds; readers would quickly see that what he has painted above as a bad bet, suddenly becomes quite a bit better than a Place-bet on the same box-number.
For example, comparing the house-edge against a $5 Put-bet on the 9 when it is backed with $100 in 20x-Odds, vs. $105 Place-bet on the 9 would show a +5.4% better return-on-investment for the Put-bet over the Place-bet.
Mad Professor said: If Consultant showed the other side of the Put-bet coin, like employing >5x-Odds; readers would quickly see that what he has painted above as a bad bet, suddenly becomes quite a bit better than a Place-bet on the same box-number.
Done!
Mad Professor. I won't attempt to mislead anyone on this message board. In fact if you want I'll quit posting!
It took me some time this morning to post the chart as your phpBBCODE is a pain to manage. I was busy doing that while you were posting.
Most of the Casinos that I find in my area offer only 3-4-5 times Odds or 5 times Odds.
If Consultant were ready to BUY BET the 4 and or 10 for $100 ,he would be better having PUT Bet
them....... How about a PUT BET on the 5 and or SIX of $5 PUT FLAT with $80 or $100 ODDS
Me thinks the SIX and 8 may require a greater wager to net better results by PERCENTAGE
If Consultant were ready to BUY BET the 4 and or 10 for $100 ,he would be better having PUT Bet
them....... How about a PUT BET on the 5 and or SIX of $5 PUT FLAT with $80 or $100 ODDS
$5 PUT FLAT needs a table with 20 times Odds for a $100 Odds Bet. That is not available in many areas!
Why do I get the feeling that everyone here would like Consultant to disappear. That can be arranged!
Not from me. I play a different game from most folks. When you are on the PL and have a point established, you already have the worst of it. I am basically a darksider. So, if I lay odds after the point, I am basically weaking a strong position. On the other side, you may be strengthening a poor position. Some like chocolate, some like vanilla. I suppose what I am getting at is that one cannot put out enough odds money to get the right side to a zero HA.
In a message-board format, I think it's probably quite easy to misread ones intent. I'm not the soulless, black-hearted tyrant that I might sometimes appear as.
I personally think that your charts are useful and well-executed; and I see no need for you to curtail your activities. It would appear that the feedback you are getting so far, seems to be even-handed and without malice.
This topic was posted in order to ascertain the way in which Come Bettors establish a Point.
The shooter already has an established Line bet in order to make a Come Bet.
The controlled shooter now attempts to not roll a seven, but to set a new Point with the Come!
Is this not in essence a Put Bet?
If I asked most Come Bettors if they would ever make a Put Bet instead of a Come Bet, they usually deny ever doing that. They also give me a look of disgust for entertaining such a thought. They assume that I do not know the math for a Put Bet.
Apparently, I did not get my thought across, as no one has offered an opinion or shown me the error of my ways(and I do make errors).
My logic is not always logical.
You seem to have a bit different way of looking at things. Maybe from a slightly different angle than I am used to seeing it. Please continue. I find it enlightening and informative. Perspective broadening.
Maybe what you see as negative, is in essence. some of us trying to digest the thought.
My interpretation of the first part of this thread was that you had more coming...A teaser
What I got from MP (my interpretation, I am not trying to speak for him) was a statement in support and anticipating further extrapolation. Funny about these threads (go back and read it) I think one can interpret it in many ways....Depending on the view point
Welcome to the board. Your view point is interesting.
Consulant, I don't see A come bet as being the same as a "put" bet. of the possible 36 rolls, you will win your bet the first roll after you make the bet on 8 of the possible rolls and lose the bet on 4 of the possible rolls.. on 24 of the possible rolls, the come bet becomes a contract bet that mist wait for the seven to be rolled and you lose the contract bet. You will win the contract bet, on 3, 4,or 5 rolls depending on which number your contract bet went to.
For a put bet, which becomes a contract bet as soon as you make it, you are never in a suit action where you will win the bet more than you lose.
A come bet is a too part bet and it is only after it becomes a contract bet, that it is like a "put" bet.
Noah said: I don't see A come bet as being the same as a "put" bet.
That's understandable, Noah. Few people do. What I am saying is that a Come Bet that is taken by a DI with a Sevens Avoidance dice set is less likely to become a natural(7 or 11) and more likely to become a Point Number(4, 5, 6, 8. 9. 10). If you don't believe in DI, then it is perfectly understandable that you would equate the toss with a random set of numbers.
A put bet where you can take enough odds, I think it is more than 5 times, can be a good bet for someone who can control the dice. I didn't read your comment as only apply to DI. But it is not the put ber per say that makes it a good bet. even for a DI,you need to make the extra bet of the odds. So I still contend the put bet and a comebet are not similar.
I think two many people try to split the come bet into two separate bets, which it really isn't.
A put bet where you can take enough odds, I think it is more than 5 times, can be a good bet for someone who can control the dice. I didn't read your comment as only apply to DI. But it is not the put ber per say that makes it a good bet. even for a DI,you need to make the extra bet of the odds. So I still contend the put bet and a comebet are not similar.
I think two many people try to split the come bet into two separate bets, which it really isn't.
Noah,
Do you believe in DI?
When you make a Come Bet, do you try to toss a seven?
When you make a Come Bet, do you try to avoid a seven?
When you make a Come Bet, do you try to toss a Box Number?
Whenever I watch DI's, I note that they tend to set against the seven so that they will not wipe out their current Point Numbers.
If they are successful in not tossing a Seven, then they are accepting the Point Number set by the toss. How is this different from accepting an arbitrary Put Number?
I realize that some of this is semantics, but think about the results.
I would suggest that such a toss was less than optimal for tossing sevens, and less than optimal for choosing a point number.
