betting strategies for novices

[kumar]

A strategy that comes to mind is place the 6 and 8 for $30 each;one hit and regress both bets to $18 each.If roll continues on each hit press one unit.Once one achieves a profit of $60 on subsequent hits spread to other numbers

Any other thoughts?

[heavy]

That is one of my favorite plays, Kumar. I might add to that - skip the Pass Line and Odds with this play unless you are the shooter or there's a qualified (DI) shooter handling the dice. It doesn't do you any good to lock up $20 - $60 off the Six and Eight play only to lose it on a $15 PL bet with $25 - $50 odds.

If you're going to spread out to other numbers after doing that initial regression on the Six and Eight, then collecting, pressing, and collecting again - be sure you are making note (either mentally or on paper) of what numbers the shooter is rolling. If there's a number that he's repeating - that is the number to bet. Don't waste money, for example, betting the Five and Nine if only the Nine has been rolling. Instead of betting $15 each on the Five and Nine - bet $25 - $35 on the Nine. Press it to $35 or $50 on the first hit. Then you're off to the races on a Take - Press schedule. Always TAKE at least every other hit. To err on the conservative - take two and press one when first starting out - and any time you think you have too much money on the table - regress or take it all down.

[220Inside]

Love the 30 6/8 regression play as well, especially on randies.

After the regression, I'll generally go up a unit on the.next hit. Next hit on the number go up one more unit and place the adjacent number for table minimum depending on how the shooter is looking at that point. If I'm not feeling it with the shooter, I'm happy to just keep going up a unit on each hit and forego spreading out.

[kumar]

Thanks Heavy and 220 inside
I am also going to suggest the following
If one did not at least break even on the previous shooter than use the 3 count to avoid the quick seven before placing a bet;go back to original betting style once table corrects itself

[220Inside]

I qualify every shooter. No 5 count for me though...

I want to see a box number after setting a point. If the point gets bullfrogged, I wait for at least one roll after setting the next point.

[kumar]

220 inside
Dont understand the terminology "if the point gets bull frogged " also dont understand " i wait at least one roll after setting the next point"

[220Inside]

"Bullfrog" = immediately hitting the established point.

"I wait at least one roll after setting the next point" = pretty much what it says. If the shooter immediately makes (bullfrogs) their first point, I wait for at least one roll after they establish their next one. I've seen way too many immediate 7 outs after the high of hitting that first point, particularly if they hit it quickly, so I wait until they get past that before betting.

[kumar]

Thank You 220 inside
I play it a little differently;when two point sevens occur then for the rest of the session i wait one roll after the point is made;after two points are made i dont use this rule for that shooter;also on a good table I ignore the rule

[220Inside]

The important thing is to have a qualification strategy for other shooters, not necessarily what it is (well, unless you're talking about the 5 count ).

[Rickhem]

I'm what is probably a low-roller, and also in the 6 & 8 club. For me, the six possible ways of throwing a seven is eclipsed by the ten ways of throwing a 6 or an 8. Yes, the bet needs to be bigger, since you're on the favorite side of the odds when betting both the 6 & 8, but for a moderate $300 to $400 buy-in, you get a lot of bullets in your gun.

My standard play is to place a $12 bet on both the 6 & 8, so I get a white back from tossing out a green. My first hit would see me pressing up both bets to $18 each, and I'll get two whites back from that. Another hit and I'll hand over the three whites in my rack, and press both bets up to $30 each. If I get the third hit, I regress both bets back to $12 each, and put $71 in my rack. This boils down to betting a max of $25 per shooter.

Since I consider every roll an individual event, and the ten positive outcomes outweigh the six negative ones, I have my bets always ON. Yes, I've been beat up with come out sevens, and even repeating ones occasionally, but the hits on the 6 & 8 exceed those losses, and get my progression started sooner.

I'll usually set myself a 25% to 33% win limit, and a 50% loss limit. That equates to me locking up $100 profit, and letting anything out on the table work for the duration of the roll that puts me up that 25% to 33%. That's happened on the first shooter more than a few times, which makes for a fast session, but discipline matters. I can always just color up, take a walk, cash my chips back into bills, and then start that whole process all over again.

[heavy]

FWIW, I use the term "bullfrogged" interchangeably" with the term "hopped" as in "the shooter hopped that number right back." I swear, I was the guy who originated that term over forty years ago. I used to use it all the time in these old backwoods casinos - some of them not exactly legal - and was surprised something like twenty years later when a dealer called a "bullfrog" at a table I was playing at in downtown Vegas. I said, "Hey, man. I invented that phrase "Bullfrogged his point." And he quickly called bullshit on me and said he'd been hearing it for years. I told him I had come up with it twenty years before and he just shook his head. Oh well. A prophet is never known is his own town. LOL.

[goreala40]

If starting with a 400$ br on bubble craps how much should I place on the 6/8 if I'm a low roller

[heavy]

You shouldn't be spreading more than 10% of your action on any hand. I'd probably go even lower on a bubble craps machine. Maybe 6 - 7%. Let's go with 6% so you'll get a little extra stretch out of your bankroll. That's $24 per hand. If you only want to bet the Six and Eight then Place them for $12 each and bet nothing else. On the first hit reduce them to $6 each and you'll have a profit of $2 for the hand guaranteed. Next payoff on either number will be $12. If the Six or Eight roll, press the one that rolled one unit. If any other number rolls, Place the Five or Nine, which ever one is closest to the point. If one of them is the point, place the number adjacent to it (the Four or Ten) for the table minimum so you have the point surrounded. Next hit, lock it up. Next hit, if it's the Six or Eight, press the number that hit one unit. lock up the rest. If it's any number you do not have covered, and it's the Five or Nine, Place that number for table minimum. Once you have all numbers covered, make the bets "right" on the next hit, pressing them to $5 if they're currently at $3. And if this hand really takes off from here just take and press every other hit. Press one unit only since you want to be conservative.

[goreala40]

So I've given up on bubble craps I decided to play those machines only when my wife is with me for the points and her br of 400$ . I found a casino that works with my limited morning play hrs . I assume that at 830 am I'll be the only one on the table with my 1200 br Fri and sat . I don't want to drive into the deep end of playing craps. during this time I want to develop as a player while winning a couple of dollars here and there. What should I focus on first betting or handling of the dice. Most will say why not both I could do that but prefer a single thing to focus on

[heavy]

Okay, let's keep it simple. Pass Line bet for table minimum. When they send you the dice look for a pair of fives. They're easy to spot because of all of the dots. If you see a pair of twos - the fives are on the opposite sides of them because opposite sides of the dice add up to the Seven. Take the two fives and one at a time set the dice in front of you with the five up. Take the left die and turn it so the four is facing you. Then take the right die and turn it so the four is facing you. You've now set the Hardway set. That's all you need to know about dice setting at this point. That's your set. Reach down and pick up the dice carefully. Let's use a simple, comfortable grip where you'll have good control of the dice. Index finger on the outside of the left die. Pinkie finger on the outside of the right die. Middle and ring fingers on the front faces of the dice. Thumb on the back of the dice, centered as near the seam as possible, but don't make a big deal out of it just starting out. Go ahead and grip all the way down to the deck with your thumb and fingers touching the layout. Now, ordinarily I'd tell you this is a terrible grip because there's so much skin contact with the dice. But you're using the Hardway set, which can be very forgiving when you have a bad grip or toss, so just go with it. Once you have the dice gripped, assuming you're at Stick left, face the dealer and pull the dice back about center mass griping with your right hand. Use your left hand to grip the top rail and stabilize your body. Keep your feet about shoulder width apart. Set the dice as far out as you can comfortably, out near the pass line. Focus on where you want to land the dice. Shoot for a spot four to six inches from the back wall. Then gently toss the dice to that spot, keeping them no more than six inches above the rail at the mid-point of the toss. Do not extend your hand over the prop box when tossing. If you need to back up a little to keep out of that area - do so. If you are tossing from the right side right handed you'll stand with most of your weight on your right foot and lean over the table to grab the dice. Setting is done the same. But we're going to do what I call the Gunfighter Toss from here. Stand upright. Pull the set dice back even with your hip. Then bring your hand forward and up just like a cowboy drawing a pistol, and release the dice at about rail level. They should continue to fly downtable and peak four to six inches above the rail. Land them again, four to six inches from the back wall. Just work on that for now.

Using the Hardway Set, your dominant numbers on-axis should be the Six and Eight. But on the Come Out roll I want you to attempt to toss Sevens. The Come Out is a "Free Throw" which gives you additional chances to win. There's no point in not taking advantage of that unless you're betting the ATS or some other bonus bet that loses on the Seven. I'd suggest you avoid spending money on the Bonus Bet just yet. Once you get the dice set on the Hardway Set, shift the right die forward two faces. That will put the Five-Two on top and the Four-Three facing you. This is the All Sevens set. Toss this on the Come Out and let's see if we can toss any Sevens. If you DO toss a Seven and you're playing a $10 game - do a 50% Press on the Pass Line and make the next Come Out bet $15. If you toss a second Seven you'll win $15. Press it to $20 and try again. If you toss a third one at $20, take the $20 win and regress back down to $10, locking up $30 plus the $15 you locked up previously, for a $45 win.

If you set a point, it will likely be a Six or Eight. If so, you should take odds, but don't go crazy. Start low and increase as you win. Single or Double odds at best. You can add to that as the hand stretches on. In either case, Place the Six if the Eight is the point and vice versa. I suggest placing it for an amount larger than table minimum so you can take a regression after it hits to reduce your exposure early on. If it's a $10 game you can Place the Six and Eight for $18 each and have $36 exposure. One hit pays $21. Regress to $12 each and it reduces your exposure to $3. One more hit and you have a profit. You could even press the number that hits back up to $18 and STILL have a small profit.

Take it easy. Watch for repeating numbers. If the Four or Ten start hitting, don't wait. Jump on them. They'll make you money quickly when they're popping. Just remember, taking money OFF the table is never wrong.

[goreala40]

Thank you for all the helpful advice

[Tgold]

Hi goreala40

"...If starting with a 400$ br on bubble craps how much should I place on the 6/8 if I'm a low roller..."


"...So I've given up on bubble craps I decided to play those machines only when my wife is with me for the points and her br of 400$ . "


I would be very cautious playing this game.
Allegedly, the cas Hold is less on many slot machines. I play with some guys that research all the latest ETGs for craps, baccarat, roulette,..etc. There are other "less bad" craps ETGs(This version may actually be labeled as a Slot machine).



Cheers,