Betting suggestions for Buy In

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Betting suggestions for Buy In

Post by gargoil » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:21 pm

If you buy in for 1500.00
1- What would your iron cross betting strategy be?
2- What would your place bet across be?
3- What would your conservative betting be?

Keep in mind you are betting on yourself only and not table randies.

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Re: Betting suggestions for Buy In

Post by Mad Professor » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:37 pm

gargoil wrote:If you buy in for 1500.00
1- What would your iron cross betting strategy be?
2- What would your place bet across be?
3- What would your conservative betting be?

Keep in mind you are betting on yourself only and not table randies.

Thanks


Hi Gargoil,

~What is your validated in-casino advantage over each of those bets?

~What is your per-session loss-tolerance (as a % of your buy-in), and what is your multi-session loss-tolerance (as a % of your overall gaming-bankroll)?

~How many self-thrown hands do you plan to throw per session?

~What betting-method (including initial 7-exposure, regression-points, and any press-schedules) do you plan to use on each?

~Are you using a separate 'GameWithinaGame' (GWAG) strategy for the Come-Out cycle? If so, what is your validated in-casino edge over those wagers, and what are your bet-values for those?

~Is your buy-in suscepible to hunch-bets like Hardways, Hops, and Props? If so, what is your validated in-casino edge over those wagers, and what are your bet-values for those?


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Re: Betting suggestions for Buy In

Post by heavy » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:56 pm

Assuming you've done as MP suggests and validated your edge on those bets:

This is a strategy that I borrowed from Wizard designed to get you into $50 for $1 country relatively quickly using an Iron Cross type play to fund other bets. It starts with:

1) $30 on the 6 and 8 - $25 on the 5 - $15 on the Field - $100 total action
2) Collect FOUR times which yields an average of around $70 - depending on what numbers hit
3) STOP Field betting and go to $66 inside - that's $15 each on the 5 and 9 and $18 each on the 6 and 8
4) PRESS each inside hit ONCE. FULL PRESS. So your $66 inside bets become…
5 and 9: = $15 plus win of $21 pressed to $35 Rack $1
6 and 8: = $18 plus win of $21 - drop $3 and press to $42

Now all inside numbers pay “Fifty For One!”

5) STAY at the “Fifty for One” level for the duration.
6) If the 4 and 10 start rolling, after locking up a few hits at $50 for $1 take the next $50 for $1 pay off and buy the 4 and 10

This strategy enables you to get your money OFF early, with a modest profit after just four rolls - and you PRESS early and then collect for as long as you can with NO pressure of a large loss and none of your initial wager at risk.

If I were betting across with a $1500 buy in I would probably start out with $160 across. Obviously you would not place the point as you'd have it on the Pass Line. You actual bet would be $130 - $135 across plus your Pass Line and Odds. In any case, if my shooting was on I would take three or four hits at that level, which would generate anywhere from $105 - $200, if my math serves me well. At that point I would probably regress to $66 inside and follow the above press schedule - or go to $64 across (less the line bet and odds, of course). However, being the kind of guy who likes to bet what the table is giving me - odds are I would have tracked those first three or four numbers that hit, and I would simply take down the numbers that had not rolled and leave those that had "paid their rent" up there and working.

I think either of these plays is fairly conservative.
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Re: Betting suggestions for Buy In

Post by CrapsGenius » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:43 am

gargoil wrote:If you buy in for 1500.00
1- What would your iron cross betting strategy be?
2- What would your place bet across be?
3- What would your conservative betting be?

Keep in mind you are betting on yourself only and not table randies.

Thanks
1- I would not bet "Iron Cross" because I've tried many simulations in Wincraps program resulting in negative expectations more than 75% of the time.

2-3- I would start with 160 across including the point and regress after 1 win to 32 across including the point and gradually press each winning bet by 50% above the original bet.

I tested this style of play also in wincraps running hundreds of simulations resulting in a more positive 50/50 approach and profit in pocket.

I would also recommend playing the fire bet for every shooter. (Just the other day, a new female shooter made a 5 number fire bet and not even realizing she made 4 shooters including me $1250.00 along with a few extra hundred from pressing the place bets.

"Remember me when you're a millionaire, sir". ;)

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