Baccarat

[mssthis1]

I haven't verified the numbers because they came for a site I trust but it looks like the game you describe has a house edge of 1.02% for banker bets instead of the 1.06% house edge for standard baccarat. The casino probably figures the increased number of hands per hour due to not collecting the vig on banker bets is greater than the .004% in house edge.

[Bones]

Thanx for that info, I'm not a "Numbers" person but that sounds good to me. It was very nice not paying the commission last visit. Banker drew three cards for a seven twice but I was on player both times.

[bryfromtheharbor]

How I play the Dragon at a Panda ( no Commission) table.

It sucks when you are placing a bet and it would have won except you get a 3 card 7 and push. So when I place a $25 banker bet I increase it to $30 and add $5 on the dragon. In a sense I'm just paying the Vig when I lose both. I like to think I choose my bets a little better and have a slightly higher hit rate than average. Anyhow I normally get a $200 payday every few shoes and am ahead playing this way. If I'm betting over $200 I'll add to the dragon and the banker bet to cover it equally.

[Bones]

Harrahs in Biloxi now offers the no commission at their $15 baccarat table. They also have the only $10 bacc game in this part of the world with the commission.

I sat down at a table that was already in progress and realized i had a very good wager available on Banker so I took Bry from the Harbor advice and plopped $5 on the dragon as a hedge and it hit yesiree 40 to 1 sweet! Im quite sure that will never happen again. Thought briefly about leaving and of course It was a trick as i played a tad aggressive and two hours later i was happy to scratch my way back from near ruin and walk away with a $19 win. lol

My good friend Demango shared an interesting Bacc Strategy that is working out pretty well..... so far.

The question was posed "How many times do u win 8 wagers in a row. I've certainly lost 8+ wagers back to back but win 8 in a row never that i could recall.

If u track the fellow bacc player wins and start betting against them after they win four in a row with a 4 step progression it works out well and the fellow that came up with this claims he has never lost.

What ive found is most folks rarely win two in a row so u need some patience and for my self being pretty conservative i wait for somebody to win 5 in a row than begin my three step marty.


There are some rules. If their winning streak is on a Banker or Player run or a chop string or really any obvious pattern don't bet against them.

Another problem ive seen is this particular player won 7 in a row so getting ready for my third and final wager she colors in and leaves the table!!!!!!!!!!!!! I felt like screaming WAIT don't go what wouild u bet next agghhhhh.

Would be great to get some feedback on this little system good or bad from live table experience from my fellow Bacc Players

And if you are ever coming my way to Biloxi give me a message here and or at Bobbybones1950@gmail.com

[heavy]

If u track the fellow bacc player wins and start betting against them after they win four in a row with a 4 step progression it works out well and the fellow that came up with this claims he has never lost.

This is not a bad way to play craps if you watch for it. How many times does a casino pay off on a 4 number Fire bet hit? Not that often. So watch for that fourth point to get marked up and then lay against it. Ditto on the fifth or sixth point. Rarely will you lose all three bets.

[flextimeLV]

Love the idea, Heavy, but what if they hit the 4th number and you lose. Next step would be to marti the 5th point, but that might not ever come as their next marked number could be a repeater from the prior four (fire bet ineligible). So you sit that one out, they seven out, and you're left with an uncompleted martingale and down the first bet. Workarounds?

[Bones]

Attention all "High Roller" Baccarat Enthusiasts. Harrahs now has a $5 Baccarat game. I was disappointed to see the No Commission game disappear I was told nobody was playing it perhaps because IT WAS NEVER OPEN. Duh Anyhow, they have made some great improvements.

Cameras have been installed overlooking both Bacc tables and both roulette tables. There are several, I think 6 seats with a video screen in front and u are able to play any of these games. You can play with your smart phone or be chatting on the phone nobody telling u to step away from the table.

The Very Best is that the dealers are continuously dealing EVEN IF nobody makes a bet. The game moves right along unless there is somebody buying in at the table.
You can bet $5 or any increment above $6 $23 commission is deducted automatically.

Currently only problem is finding a seat. It is very popular.

[mssthis1]

I played that while hovering in Harrahs, biloxi to see if the herd would thin on the craps table, enjoyed it and won a little money. You can play multiple games if you desire. The only downside was a chain smoker setting in the seat to my right.

[Bones]

Yah. Especially me being an ex smoker can't stand smoke eitherI can smell it in the parking lot a mile away

One problem is people reserving their seat I can understand going to the bathroom and coming back but being gone for a half hour is crazy supposed to be getting some more seats maybe that will help.

One fellow was reading a freaking book I walk by half hour later the book was there and he had a seat backwards thank you very much inconsiderate bastards.

[Bones]

Zero commission Baccarat has disappeared from Biloxi. I asked at the Golden Nugget and Harrahs Where did the the games go. Both responded that nobody ever played it. Not sure the real reason but as far as I could tell these games were never open. Probly why no players.

[heavy]

I suspect the real reason was that it was a proprietary layout they had to pay to use. A bean counter did a cost versus return analysis and decided it wasn't carrying its weight. That's how it goes when the bean counters run the casino.

[stratocasterman]

Zero Commission Baccarat here in the Philippines is the standard and most other Asian countries. The Casinos counter this Zero Commission with a vig on the Banker "Super Six", as it is so gloriously called, and all Banker bets pay off at HALF (50%) the bet.

The Super Six side bet pays 12-1, Ties 8-1 and Banker or Player Pairs are at 11-1 and IMHO are terrible sucker bets or Horn type bets.

Now it is SWEET to hit a Grand Slam (Banker, Player Pair, Banker Pair and Super Six bets) on occasion, but rare...Player has a low hand Pair and Banker wins with a Pair of threes.

[heavy]

Assuming I can get caught up on the current backlog of honey-do's, Dice Trakkr and I have our "Baccarat Battle Plan" strategy forthcoming - hopefully before the holidays. The system as pretty much in final form and has been extensively field-tested with good results. It just needs a final edit and a bit of additional introductory content. Watch for info on that in the weeks to come.

[Bones]

Assuming I can get caught up on the current backlog of honey-do's, Dice Trakkr and I have our "Baccarat Battle Plan" strategy forthcoming - hopefully before the holidays. The system as pretty much in final form and has been extensively field-tested with good results. It just needs a final edit and a bit of additional introductory content. Watch for info on that in the weeks to come.

Looking foward to the Baccarat Battle Plan.

[stratocasterman]

I don't play Baccarat as much as I used to and I'm not sure why really. It really was my casino game of choice. I suppose it had to do with them raising the table minimums to $20. I hate playing the $10 "ride" on another players bet.

I used two simple systems that work pretty good if you search out the right table circumstances.

[1] OL - Opposite the Last Result
Find a choppy table of ones and twos results setting itself up. Bet one Unit Opposite the Last Result. If you lose that Unit, bet two Units. I will go a MAX of three Units only before dropping back down to a one Unit bet. In a "perfect" ones and twos results game, you win one Unit per every Result.

[2] OTBL - Opposite the Time Before Last Result
Find a choppy table of twos and threes results setting itself up. Bet one Unit Opposite the Time Before Last Result. If you lose that Unit, bet two Units. Once again, I will go a MAX of three Units only before dropping back down to a one Unit bet.

My objectives per shoe, with either of these, is simple. Stay AWAY from tables with runs of four or more, find tables with the MOST chop and my goal per shoe is a 50% return on my buy in. If things are going well, by ALL means, WEAR IT OUT! I've bought in for 10 Units before and had results from 30-40 Unit wins. It does happen.

Tables CHANGE! When results are NOT in your favor anymore or your win goal is attained...GET OUT!!! Go find another table that meets the criteria. RINSE and REPEAT is what it's called I believe.

Watch and tell me if I am wrong...

Most of the tables with 10-30 people hanging around them hoopin and hollerin, are showing long runs of Player or Banker. They are NOT cheering up a choppy table of ones, twos or threes. Those are the tables where it is EASY to find a seat at and more than likely you will be able to "squeeze" the cards yourself.

Makes for a lot more fun to me than entering a big run table, just to get in on the OPPOSITE RESULT of the previous big run. I cannot count the number of times I got to the party late, be it Baccarat or Craps, just to place my losing bet to the BIG RUN or a Seven Out from a 30-40 roll hand!

I know it is simple...just saying, hey, if you see the circumstances setting up correctly in your favor...

Tell me again why I am playing craps? Oh that's right, low $ entry point in, arm exercise and the hopeful ability to influence those dice to my bets!

[Bones]

I don't play Baccarat as much as I used to and I'm not sure why really. It really was my casino game of choice. I suppose it had to do with them raising the table minimums to $20. I hate playing the $10 "ride" on another players bet.

I used two simple systems that work pretty good if you search out the right table circumstances.

[1] OL - Opposite the Last Result
Find a choppy table of ones and twos results setting itself up. Bet one Unit Opposite the Last Result. If you lose that Unit, bet two Units. I will go a MAX of three Units only before dropping back down to a one Unit bet. In a "perfect" ones and twos results game, you win one Unit per every Result.

[2] OTBL - Opposite the Time Before Last Result
Find a choppy table of twos and threes results setting itself up. Bet one Unit Opposite the Time Before Last Result. If you lose that Unit, bet two Units. Once again, I will go a MAX of three Units only before dropping back down to a one Unit bet.

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I would only add that on a streaky shoe lots of 3 or more bet Same as last decision.

There was a video on youtube think they called it the NOR system, wait not a system a strategy or maybe a method, lol.

You mentioned about arriving late to the party for me the party abruptly ends upon first bet. Sounds like your lucky like me.
The trend will end welcome to our world.

[stratocasterman]

Yes Bones...it is NOR that I speak of.

Lots have laughed the NOR methodology into the dirt but, I have found it to be of great help. By identifying the trends and jumping on them quickly tends to give me an advantage. When the tide turns on me, I just find the next opportunity.

[Bones]

Yes Bones...it is NOR that I speak of.

Lots have laughed the NOR methodology into the dirt .

From the info I could gather on Nor it is indeed a solid looking play I just could not ever seem to be on the right side of the street. As soon as i would start the trend would end.

[stratocasterman]

I like to observe a shoe from the first to fifth hand...then jump in, if appropriate. Otherwise, I will find a shoe that has been streaking some but then changes into ones, twos or threes.

USUALLY, I notice that most entire 70+ hand shoes will show some combination of chop and streak. Those are tough to play in the middle and you are correct...you can end up on the wrong end of the pattern quite often.

As for betting on player results, I would say that over time, this would likely be a nightmare. For the MOST part, I never bet upon another persons results at baccarat. They have NO more clue than anyone else what will be dealt next. Now I WILL say that I know a couple of guys that play here almost every day. I WILL follow them from table to table because, over time, they can spot (or smell) a streak coming. I BOLDLY admit to jumping all over whatever streak they are on too! They can just find the big streaks, as I can just find the chop. It all pays the same...

Sticking with trends and patterns DOES work and I think is highly effective over time.

[stratocasterman]

Just for grins...was strolling over to the craps table the other day and walked past the baccarat tables. Noticed a near perfect 68 hand baccarat shoe of ones and twos with just ONE run of three! There were only two people sitting there playing while everyone else was at the table of 5 and 6 streaks right beside it trying to win. I had to just just shake my head and mutter "dumbarses" under my breath. 65K Pesos just slipped right out from underneath their noses playing the "opposite the last result" with a double down on any loss. Too bad I wasn't 45 minutes earlier! Hahahaha! Don't we ALL!