Working on the Come Out

Working on the Come Out. Should you or shouldn’t you? It’s one of those questions that plague both precision shooters and random rollers – especially if they are Come bettors. While the “flat bet” portion of the Come wager is always working, the free odds wager is typically “off” on the Come Out. The reasons for this are simple. First, the Come Out roll most players are rooting for the seven. Why buck the rest of the table? Secondly, players who bet both the Pass and Come don’t like the mixed emotions that come from a seven on the come out. They’d rather have their free odds bets off on the come out roll. That way they “win” twice on the come out seven – on the pass line – and with the return of their free odds bet.

But if you ask the dice influencers who go strictly by the math of the game you get a different answer. They’ll tell you that if you have an advantage over the house you should work your bets on EVERY roll.

Let’s look at what’s really happening here. Unless the shooter is skilled at setting and tossing sevens on the come out, the odds of the seven showing up on the come out roll are exactly the same as they are at any other point in the game – one in six. So if you had, for example, come bets on the five, six, and eight working with double odds – you would have fourteen ways to win on the come out versus six ways to lose on the seven.

Let’s look at it another way. Say the shooter has just tossed a 25 number hand and you have come bets with odds up on every box number on the layout. On the come out roll the dealer may ask if you want your bets on or off on the come out. If you don’t reply, he automatically turns them off. Why? Because having your bets “off” in this situation usually favors the casino instead of the player.

Let’s look at the math. Since you are, in effect, betting against the seven when you have your come bets working on the come out, it will pay to have your bets working if there are three or more. That’s because the number of “ways” three or more numbers can be rolled will more than offset the number of “ways” the seven can roll. On the other hand, if you have just one or two come bets up, it is usually best to leave the free odds turned off.

If you are considering working on the come out on your own hands and you are a skilled precision shooter it puts a different light on the subject. The determination of whether or not you should work on the come out is made in the same manner as above, but you must factor in your sevens-to-rolls ratio in order to determine how many bets you can have working safely.

There are, of course, hedge moves you can make that might make this style of play more attractive to you. The most common is a partial hedge accomplished by simply increasing the size of the Pass Line bet by a couple of units. Of course, once a point is tossed and the new Pass Line wager is established, the odds are stacked against most players. Another hedge move against the seven is the old Dark Sider special – laying against the four or ten. But when the four or ten show up it can be just as costly as going bare and tossing the seven. Last of all is the high-vig option – hopping the sevens. A $6 three-way-sevens on the hop will pay $32 and down – a net $26 win. Combined with a $10 Pass Line bet it does a nice job of hedging a couple of working come bets. On the other hand – it’s a very costly bet over the long haul and one most players should avoid. Over the long haul, as always, the best hedge is no hedge.

Considering working on the come out? Before you take it to the casino, test the strategy against your own book of rolls outside the casino. If you can prove to yourself that it works at your level of play and you can live with the potential volatility, you may want to give it a try.