Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

My question is a bit specific to this side of the pond as our vig on lay bets is different to yours.

So, I started playing a few DCs recently and was getting a touch frustrated at times by losing on PSO hands. Then I remembered other stuff I had read about skipping the CO roll, laying the point/laying a number and then betting a DC. That way if there is a PSO you probably end up with a push - though it depends on how you size your bets.

Seems to me that an effective way of doing this is to lay the 4 or 10 and make a DC bet. That way if you do get knocked off your lay, then at least your DC travels to a least likely box number. Not great if the 4 or 10 does hit initially, but at least you are a big fav to come back with a small loss from the series, though of course I know there will be plenty of times when you lose twice on the 4 or 10 to the same shooter. Such is life.....

Now for you chaps over there the vig on this lay is 2.44%, but over here, a lay of 4 or 10 for me is 3.03%. The lowest vig on my table is 1.82% on laying the 6 or 8.

Given these numbers, how would you play things? Carry on laying a 4 or 10, or go for what looks a sounder mathematical approach by laying a 6 or 8, even if that means your DC travels to a most likely box number should your initial lay get knocked off?

over here it is a $1 for up to $40 in A/C, so you lay it four $40 and pay the vig $1
if you lay the 4 and your DC travels to the 4 put max odds on the DC. over here 5X $10 DC goes to the 4 which leaves you with $50 in odds
7 shows pays $10 for the DC and $25 in odds your loss for the sec-ion is $6

You can bet a hard 4 or 10 to lessen the ways too lose to two, but then your hedging your hedge.

Would you lay the 6 or 8 instead if you were me given that is my lowest vig, or would you just prefer to stick with the 4 or 10?

London Shooter wrote:Would you lay the 6 or 8 instead if you were me given that is my lowest vig, or would you just prefer to stick with the 4 or 10?

There are how many ways ?? to hit a 6 or8 and how many ways to hit a 4 or 10

five ways to make a 6 or 8 and three ways to make a 4 or 10

here are some pass line probability's

Win Chances on the pass line


wins Percent One in
1 49.293% 2.028
2 24.297% 4.115
3 11.977% 8.349
4 5.903% 16.937
5 2.910% 34.361
6 1.434% 69.708
7 .707 141.417
8 .348 286.891
9 .171 582.013
10 N/A 1180
11 N/A 2395

Laying the 6 or 8 is a great play, but it frightens many. I usually lay one or the other for a comeout if there is a trend of naturals for the table on comeouts. Will it get knocked off? Yes, at times. If that becomes a trend change to the 5 or 9. Take it down after the point is established.

DC's are problematic. Sometimes they are great, and at others they get knocked off consistently. When that happens I will revert to only the DP or I will walk.

Good luck on your darkside journey. You will emerge a more complete player.

Golfer