What's your betting strategy?

[memo]

Nacho,

Glad to see you back....I have never thought of you as the ultimate bad guy, but...Who knows. People change.

You have totally confused this simple minded person. Can you give a little more detailed look at your scheme..

Memo

[wild child]

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I have used this on occasion since August,2011......... Recently using it more frequently.

Prefer table with 4 or 5 other players.
Chart table with attention to individual shooters.

Started with a Place Bet $160 across off on come out .( Have increased $$ AMOUNT in increments over past few months.

Once point is established turn bets on and make $10 Field Bet.
Maximum two rolls and down.
Should a HORN NUMBER show,parlay the FIELD BET and take the $160 down

When Bride or I shoot,reduce across bets to $96 with $5/$10 in Field.
Usually leave the place bets up to hand terminates.

Should the table fill up with unknown players,an argument break out,NEW GREEN DEALERS CAUSE "PROBLEMS", two back to back early SEVEN OUTS, a WHIRL TYPE EPIDOSIDE RUN OCCUER
( MIXED run of 7',11's,2's 3's 12's )
PLACE BETS TAKEN DOWN and take a break or change casino.

This has so far worked to the good .
We prefer to bet and win on the DO SIDE as it pays higher for $$$ AT RISK.

Only when we identify a sustained run to the DARK SIDE will we go full out and bet THE DON'TS

Works for me.

W C

[Americraps]

Just for giggles I am testing another high volatility betting system on my practice table. I am going $64 across, pressing on the second hit of each individual box #. Whatever box numbers that are not hit, get doubled up on the next hand. Yes, this is a negative progression across martingale. After 255 throws, I am up approx $10,500. Thats the good news. The bad news is that I am no longer able to have a BM do to the pucker factor. I am in for $17K after starting with a $2K buy in. All kidding aside, I think there is room for a system like this, with some very important modifications. I think progressing on the inside numbers only and with a limit of say $192 on the 6 & 8 (thats 5 doublings) and $320 on the 5 &9 (6 doublings). I might try this on my next book of rolls, but I want to see how far this one goes. I've already had the 10 up to $5120, while simultaneusly having the 4 up to $2610. I hit them on back to back rolls and high fived all of my imaginary table mates at casino Americraps. My dogs looked up and shook their heads.

[Sparqee1]

Heavy!!
If every craps player played either
PASS or DONT PASS using the DICE DOCS money mng.,betting rules buy ins front rack rear rack
THE casinos would# 1 change the table betting rules.
OR # 2 Take the tables out thats how powerful those 2 simple methods are.
BUT we know that will never happen be cause of the discipline envoloved
and that it is a GRIND play

[heavy]

I do not disagree, Sparqee. This is similar to what John Patrick has said about his play for years - if everyone would just learn to play a regression strategy and accept a small win the casno's would have to change the rules or shut down within a few weeks.

[Sparqee1]

Heavy!!!
I think you misunderstood.
The dice doc had a 50% increase on the Pass.
A 20 % increase on the Don:t
The only time he regressed on the Pass is when a craps # was a c/o roll
I have tweeked his progression to be a less progressive

[OwnTheFelt]

Hope I am not chiming in too late here:

I have Nelli's Method and have been using that as my primary attack at the craps table. Took me about 6 months to learn all the in and outs of it but I finally mastered it. Also, since I finally established a reasonably sized bankroll, I am content with 3-5 unit wins each session. The methods been good to me since the new year began.

IF I shoot (I say If because I am in CA where we don't use dice, we use cards) I like to place the inside for 120...go for 2 hits and regress to table min. After that, press 'till the cows come home. However, I am considering using an exponential odds press schedule that I read about over on diceinstitute...real money maker!!

[heavy]

I guess I need to look at that odds press schedule. I did an article several years ago on that subject - based on 100X odds games. Hard to find in Vegas, but over in Shreveport/Bossier it's pretty much every game in town. I'm of the opinion that running a multi-step fibo progression on the free odds, stepping up the flat bet only when necessary because you've maxed out your odds bet, can be very effective.

[Americraps]

I ran into an interesting system today. The guy bet $25 DP. If he lost, he added $5, if he won he kept it at $25.He keeps adding a $5 chip till he is ahead. He was keeping track by using both rows in his tray. The top row had his winnings, the bottom row had the rest of his $1K buy in separated from 3 greens and 20 reds ($200 including his $25DP). By keeping track of both rows, he was able to determine whether he was up for the progression. The author of the system wrote that after 3 consecutive losses, you are supossed to change tables. He said that he had never been wiped out and that he usually did "well". Who knows what that means. I thought it was a more mild form of progression, depending on a lot of outcomes. Not so violent as a Martingale where one short hot session could wipe you out. We were on a cold table and he was kicking ass. Unfortunately, I was doing more than my fair share of keeping him winning. Has anyone used this system before? Any thoughts other than "no system can beat a negative expectation game"?

[Golfer]

Americraps, saw a guy last Saturday at Harrahs doing something close on field bets. Up on losses same on wins.

[heavy]

There are a couple of problems with "loose three in a row - change tables" strategies. One is that in this day and age there's rarely another table to switch to without changing casinos. Of course, that might be the right decision. The other problem is the fact that very few players have the discipline to play a single wager and just wait for a decision. They're more likely to play DP, DC, DC, DC or DP plus place action.

I don't really have a problem with slow negative progressions. However, I'd much rather see this type of play as a positive progression - something akin to a Paroli press - up one unit on every win. So your progression might be $10 - $15 - $20 - $25 - $30 as long as you posted a win each time. On any loss you'd go back to the initial $10 wager and start the progression over.

[soxfan]

I guess I need to look at that odds press schedule. I did an article several years ago on that subject - based on 100X odds games. Hard to find in Vegas, but over in Shreveport/Bossier it's pretty much every game in town. I'm of the opinion that running a multi-step fibo progression on the free odds, stepping up the flat bet only when necessary because you've maxed out your odds bet, can be very effective.

Could you elaborate on that running a fibo on free odds thingy? I've always thought a cat could make some cake playin that style, but you would have to have access to a table that allowed ya to bet 100x odds, hey hey.

[heavy]

Well, just off the top of my head I was thinking along these lines in a $5 100X odds game. Negative progression so up on a loss - looking for two wins back to back before regressing and running it again. Ignore naturals and craps numbers.

First bet - $5 PL - no odds
Second bet - $5 PL - $5 odds
Third bet - $5 PL - $10 odds
Fourth bet - $5 PL - $15 odds
Fifth bet - $5 PL - $25 odds
Sixth bet - $5 PL - $40 odds
Seventh bet - $5 PL - $65 odds
Eighth bet - $5 PL - $105 odds
Ninth bet - $5 PL - $170 odds
Tenth bet - $5 PL - $275 odds
Eleventh bet - $5 PL - $445 odds

If I wanted to tweak it just a bit to make payoffs a little easier I might make that seventh step $70 odds, the eighth $120, the ninth $200, the tenth $300 and the eleventh $500.

But more likely I would cap this thing at about step six, making that step $50 odds. Then I'd start a stepladder type progression and move up to a $10 PL bet with $10 odds $10 odds and run up to $100 odds. If that didn't work I'd probably add one more ladder at the $20 or $25 level. But seriously, we're talking about having some serious session money to run this kind of a progression.

[memo]

So Heavy,

As I look at this...One could go through a long series, in some instances having risked Very large amounts (lots of dollars), and in the end, you get your money back and only gain, maybe, one unit (+ or -)?

Memo

[heavy]

Yeah, that's the long sad story when it comes to negative regressions.

[memo]

Yeah, that's the long sad story when it comes to negative regressions.

That is probably something we should talk a bit more about..On the board
What is it like to play some of these systems. What do you get out of them. What are the pit falls and pressures. Is it worth it. There is more going on, more than just making profit, these factors do play into it. If you have played it, (real or simulated) would you do it again. If you have not played it...In your experiance, what do you imagine the issues (pro or con) would be?

One samll question...negative, positive, regression, progression. I get these all mixed up
The above system I would think of as negative...Because it changes on a loss, and progressve because it increases as you loose....? What is the rule?

Memo

[soxfan]

So Heavy,

As I look at this...One could go through a long series, in some instances having risked Very large amounts (lots of dollars), and in the end, you get your money back and only gain, maybe, one unit (+ or -)?

Memo

A cat could use star or sure win where ya get more than one unit profit for each coup of back to back wins. You need to have deep pockets, and the balss and table spread to play em though, hey hey.

[soxfan]

This one should work well with the odds bet. I used this progression playin bac fulltime over the past few years, and it made me about 7.5 unit, net per shoe. The first four steps are pure parlay, the last 7 are double win. You make better than one unit on 10 of the steps, and you make more profit on the upper stages, so increased reward with risk. If you get your back to back wins on the final stage then you snag 45 units profit for that single coup of back to back wins, hey hey.

1-1-1-2/5-10-15-25-40-65-105

Well, just off the top of my head I was thinking along these lines in a $5 100X odds game. Negative progression so up on a loss - looking for two wins back to back before regressing and running it again. Ignore naturals and craps numbers.

First bet - $5 PL - no odds
Second bet - $5 PL - $5 odds
Third bet - $5 PL - $10 odds
Fourth bet - $5 PL - $15 odds
Fifth bet - $5 PL - $25 odds
Sixth bet - $5 PL - $40 odds
Seventh bet - $5 PL - $65 odds
Eighth bet - $5 PL - $105 odds
Ninth bet - $5 PL - $170 odds
Tenth bet - $5 PL - $275 odds
Eleventh bet - $5 PL - $445 odds

If I wanted to tweak it just a bit to make payoffs a little easier I might make that seventh step $70 odds, the eighth $120, the ninth $200, the tenth $300 and the eleventh $500.

But more likely I would cap this thing at about step six, making that step $50 odds. Then I'd start a stepladder type progression and move up to a $10 PL bet with $10 odds $10 odds and run up to $100 odds. If that didn't work I'd probably add one more ladder at the $20 or $25 level. But seriously, we're talking about having some serious session money to run this kind of a progression.

[soxfan]

Curious, what is Nelli Method, thanks, hey hey?

Hope I am not chiming in too late here:

I have Nelli's Method and have been using that as my primary attack at the craps table. Took me about 6 months to learn all the in and outs of it but I finally mastered it. Also, since I finally established a reasonably sized bankroll, I am content with 3-5 unit wins each session. The methods been good to me since the new year began.

IF I shoot (I say If because I am in CA where we don't use dice, we use cards) I like to place the inside for 120...go for 2 hits and regress to table min. After that, press 'till the cows come home. However, I am considering using an exponential odds press schedule that I read about over on diceinstitute...real money maker!!

[luxlogs]

This is my Latest Greatest Can't Lose Til It Does Super Duper Craps System.

I call it Rainin 7's for the DI impared. $1000 Grub Stake

$25DP Lay 4 $50 $3 Hoppin 7

Come Out Any Point $25 DC Parley any Craps while in DC
Come Out 7 Make $20 Parley 4 to $80 and $15 Hoppin 7
2nd 7 Parley 4 to $120 ($25 Hoppin 7 if you Dare, pays $375)
3rd 7 Take Profit Regress to $50
2nd DC Point Est Remove $50 Lay and wait for 7
DO NOT REPLACE if shooter knocks down your DC it's OK to play No 4 and Hop 7's on new Come Out. The Come Out Rolls are what we are here for with this system.

The DP just keeps you in the game til the 7's fall on the Come Out. And After They Do, RUN it aint gonna happen again this session.

Tell me what you think Boys, I can take it!!!!

Niel