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Setting and influencing the dice roll is just part of the picture. To beat the dice you have to know how to bet the dice. Whether you call it a "system," a "strategy," or just a way to play - this is the place to discuss it.

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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by wild child » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:52 am

DarthNater
thank you for establishing the Crapless Craps Corner.

Not every craps pit contains a Crapless Table.
Also, the days & hours of operation may vary from joint to joint
often related to staffing and/or amount of players.
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For those interested in Crapless Dice Table
it may assist in selecting a specific casino market and casino
when the Table Minimum/Maximum $ USD
days and hours of operation
and
if the specific Crapless Dice Pit
allows ( the rare)Dark Side Wagers on that specific Never Ever Craps Table
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by House of Orange » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:33 pm

Tgold wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:01 am
HOO
"... bet uptown or downtown. Good start, uptown, would be $75 ten, $50 eleven and $25 twelve. $150 payout each, less vig. .."

I like to utilize these three wagers/ usually do equi-amounts. However , I like ur suggestion to stagger the wagers for equal payouts.
Hey TGold! If you want to get extravagant, throw in a $100 nine! That's $150 minus vig too!

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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by DarthNater » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:46 pm

House of Orange wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:33 pm
Tgold wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:01 am
HOO
"... bet uptown or downtown. Good start, uptown, would be $75 ten, $50 eleven and $25 twelve. $150 payout each, less vig. .."

I like to utilize these three wagers/ usually do equi-amounts. However , I like ur suggestion to stagger the wagers for equal payouts.
Hey TGold! If you want to get extravagant, throw in a $100 nine! That's $150 minus vig too!
LOL.... more importantly do you know which one (or two) of your sets is 10,11, and 12 rich? Is it in the same Coaster Group as your principle tossing set? Have you validated it on your practice rig and in casino trials from your chosen position for those three numbers?

Then for even more fun what number shows up the least? Theoretically if your set is 12 rich then it’s possibly the 2 or 3? What’s BT say? Once you know that - then lay it with enough to protect your 10,11, and 12 bets. Now you’re ready for serious fun.

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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by thnick » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:28 am

I think I asked about lay bets in Biloxi at HGC on the crapless..no dice

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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by DarthNater » Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:17 pm

thnick wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:28 am
I think I asked about lay bets in Biloxi at HGC on the crapless..no dice
It was a no go at BR as well. Ditto for the Luxor in LV, will search further....

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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by House of Orange » Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:57 pm

Not sure why you want this. So a $35 twelve pays $210 minus $1 vig. Or you can lay the twelve for $210 to win $35 less vig of $1. An advantage player finds out how to roll the twelve and makes more money.

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Post by Parson » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:40 pm

There were no lay bets on any crapless tables in tunica. I played saturday night for hours, i never play crapless that long....never. But there were some junket players and regulars and the joints were crowded... i bought in for 500.... which is very low for 25 table. In one hand i hit four 11s.... i caught some $35 12s .... changed to another table where huge money was playing.... i couldnt toss anything ... but enough folks tossed good enough, that the contraction on the rack didnt outrun the wins ..... was a weird crapless game. I finally changed to an old set i call my Circa set and went to town on 6s ... took two hits with it pressed to $420. .... cashed out soon after.... but it was not a winning weekend at all. Tossed terrible this morn and left.
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by wild child » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:34 am

House of Orange wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:57 pm
Not sure why you want this. So a $35 twelve pays $210 minus $1 vig. Or you can lay the twelve for $210 to win $35 less vig of $1. An advantage player finds out how to roll the twelve and makes more money.
My thought is, should our combined live view isolate Crapless Dice Tables
that book the Dark Side wagers of
Do Not Pass(D P ) and/or the Do Not Come (DC)
it may influence travel decisions when planning a future Casino Adventure.

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Post by House of Orange » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:20 am

Really? You would base a casino trip on whether you can make a lay bet at a Crapless table? I remember what the great tennis player, John McEnroe, said on numerous occasions: "You can't be serious?"

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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by heavy » Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:57 pm

McEnroe also claims that even though he's in his 50's he could still beat Selena Williams. He goes on to say that Williams could not beat any of the Top 500 ranked male tennis players today. HIM beat Selena Williams? Today? No he couldn't. With her serve she'd eat his lunch. Just like Billie Jean King kicked 55 year old Bobby Riggs ass back in 1973. These days McEnroe has been reduced to riding the book circuit trying to peddle a second rate book titled . . . yeah, you said it. You Can't Be Serious. Yeah, I can. Like most professional athletes, he's a spoiled brat and a punk - even in his 50's. Just my opinion but I'm sticking to it.

BTW, this is a serious thread started by a guy who predominantly plays the Don'ts who is looking for darks side opportunities on crapless craps. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by DarthNater » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:09 pm

House of Orange wrote:
Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:57 pm
Not sure why you want this. So a $35 twelve pays $210 minus $1 vig. Or you can lay the twelve for $210 to win $35 less vig of $1. An advantage player finds out how to roll the twelve and makes more money.
That's a fair question.....

Let me elaborate on my thinking... for a 2 or 12 my analytics are about 15 to 1. The 2 and 12 are mutually exclusive for most sets in my analytics, so I don't consider them combinative; i.e 2 sets or 12 sets-not both. Plus, I have 2-rich sets that are also 3 & 11 rich (and 12 sets that are also 3/11 rich sets), hence I'm going to bet all four extremes. So, I like the leverage of using the lay, especially on tables I am learning, as its basically a OHCM variant. One hit pull the lay, press the hitter. I've been staying with the same extreme set all thru the hand, with the primary goal of hitting extremes (and also making the ATS).

Also, as I've mentioned elsewhere, I've been using the lay bet as a OHCM alternative & I'm also using it to cover WOTCO bets on the 2 & 12 on randies. Which can be a lot of fun as when I get a 2/12 hit, pull the lay and then press.

It's more ammunition as nothing is nicer than having a randy blast 3-4 sevens on the come-out while I'm waiting for that 2/12 hit. It takes a bit of dealer training, as it pays $20 for $2, but they get it after a couple of moves, DN8R

BTW there's a local here that lays the 2 for $600 to win $100. His daily goal is +$300. He pulls the bet against all DIs. Yet, he twice randomly tossed a 2 to knock himself off (-$1200). I asked him why he doesn't become a DI and toss 7s or bet the 2? His answer was that's too much like work, N8
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by thnick » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:12 pm

We can all be hopeful about but If you have enough money I'm sure you can get crapless table to take lay bets. A private one. Let's get 5 or 6 players, toss in a grand or two each and get a host to get us one. It might take a bit more money, but who knows.

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Post by Parson » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:38 pm

I had never seen lay bets allowed on crapless until I saw the Stratosphere table .... Other than that, I have no idea.
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by thnick » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:52 pm

The strat is interesting. They allow people to film sessions at the craps table like the older casino downtown. So a private crapless table there is probably not out of the question.

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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by heavy » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:05 pm

a private crapless table there is probably not out of the question.
This might be worth investigating for one of our Darksider Ball or Right or Wrong Craps weekends.
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by Parson » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:36 pm

This topic, crapless could possibly use its own forum for different threads? I can see this thread getting long over time.
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by DarthNater » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:43 pm

heavy wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:05 pm
a private crapless table there is probably not out of the question.
This might be worth investigating for one of our Darksider Ball or Right or Wrong Craps weekends.
Two of their three tables are Crapless. After a few more sessions, I’ll ask them about reserving a table and whether we can get three or four a side. Maybe for our Sunday live sessions, DN8R
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by wild child » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:08 pm

DarthNater wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:43 pm
heavy wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:05 pm
a private crapless table there is probably not out of the question.
This might be worth investigating for one of our Darksider Ball or Right or Wrong Craps weekends.
Two of their three tables are Crapless. After a few more sessions, I’ll ask them about reserving a table and whether we can get three or four a side. Maybe for our Sunday live sessions, DN8R
To date, the group search has located
a single Casino with TWO(2)Crapless Craps.

To make the discovery sweeter THE CASINO with TWO(2) Crapless Craps Tables
happen to be located in a Casino Adventure Destination Zip Code
specifically "The MECA of Casino Adventure Destinations".

Wonder if those few days after Thanksgiving and The Mega Cowboy event
usually, the first week of December would work for a window of opportunity.

Should we continue searching and asking, perhaps other destinations may show.
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by DarthNater » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:01 pm

wild child wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:08 pm

Should we continue searching and asking, perhaps other destinations may show.
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Sure, let’s stay watchful, though for me the higher priority is the lay bet option, than multiple Crapless tables. Both bits of intel will be appreciated

Anyone find either .... post it here, DN8R
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by DarthNater » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:08 am

I had another Crapless adventure this week and must say from a GWAG perspective that it’s nice when you are shooting that a 2,3, or 12 do not kill your pass line bet. Knowing it can’t lose till the end of the hand is cooler than I first realized.

This week I got an email welcoming me to the “Casino X” Players Club after I had joined a couple of weeks before. The offer was $30 in promotional chips and $30 at the restaurant. Being a free food connoisseur, I went for it. The kiosk gave me a voucher and sent me to the cage. The cage guy told me to go to the tables. When I bought in at the Crapless table, I presented the voucher and the pitboss told me it was good for one $30 line bet as they don’t have promo chips anymore to break it down into multiple bets. I had to wade past four randies to get the dice, so I laid the 4 for $60 and bet a $15 2 and $12 WOTCO. Three of the four shooters tossed a 2 or 12, one of em had a pair of 2s. The fourth knocked off my lay.

I got the dice, put the voucher on the PL with a buck for the crew and put me and the crew on the ATS. Then bet $15 each on the 2,3,11,12, working. Since the PL bet protected half of that I also laid the four for $60 and a $1 vig upfront. This day I was on the hook. I had planned to use my new 12 rich sets that I had used at home from SO , but as I’d been in the same position on prior trips, I opted to stick with my Shocka Set, and tossed a comeout 3. It paid $45 up top. I brought it all down and put $30 odds behind the voucher.

I stuck with the Shocka Set and got a yo, which also paid $45. I pressed the Yo to $25, and pulled down my $61 lay. This was a bit early for the pull down but there are two on axis fours on that set, so I pulled. I tossed back to back sixes, both 1-5 combos, so placed the six, then had a 1-4 five and placed the five. Both those combos were top ten on my BT axial mapping, so I could see strong alignment with my practicing results. Then I hit another yo, pressed it to $35 and kept going. I bang to more sixes and a five as well as a 9 and ten, so I only needed 2,4,8,12 for the All. I new the Set was weak on 8s and so-so on 2s and 12s; in practicing it’s 4 rich, but on this table, it is ten rich. I decided to stay with the set for four more rolls. Sure enough the next toss was a 12; pressed to $25 and the rest went in the rail. After another 10 and a four, I made the 3 point; got $30 for the voucher and $90 for my odds. I stayed with the Shocka for the comeout as I wanted to work my seven place bets even though I only needed a 2 and 8 for the All. I have four X6 sets that score high on 2s and I switched to the Yo rich set and got a six, then the 8 for the Tall. I got a high five from my dealer as I had the crew on all three ATS parts.

After the payouts, I kept looking for snakeeyes and banged another yo and midnight. I then made the point. All four of my 2 rich sets have the aces on the same faces, so there was no sense in switching sets again. Came out with a nine, then an 8, then the devil.

It was a good hand as I got more sets validated for that table and I locked up a nice win. Things got choppy after that. But having the voucher to “protect” WOTCO bets worked great for me and I’m hoping for more in future emails, DN8R
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