HI americraps,
I POSTED THIS MORNING , and for some reason i can't find it.
so once again, i''ll ask you the same question-
you say you have your own version of my system, can you please post your version=
to see how you won $1,100 dollars
Thank you...Jaime Garcia---not the baseball player.
Shootitall system, combine with Jaime's system.
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Re: Shootitall system, combine with Jaime's system.
Hi Jaime,
Why don't you play baseball?
I start $30 DP, $30 6 & 8. Sometimes I work on the CO, sometimes not. What I'm trying to do is to get a field bet out there and rack the first few hits of it as soon as possible. I need to hit a 6 or 8 first to do that.
If I was working, and I came out on a 6 or 8, (let's assume I come out on a 6)I would immediately press the 6 by $12, and place $10 field bet. so if I bullfrog the point, I make $9 net. If I came out on a number that was not a 6 or 8, I would not press until profitable on the hand.
Next toss- If I hit a field bet for $10, I place the 5 for $10. If I hit the 5, I'll be down $10 for the hand and replace the field bet. If it is a 6, I rack $9, if it is an 8, I press the 8 by $6 and rack $19, and replace the field bet. If it is a 7, I have lost $17 on this hand.
Next Toss- If it is a craps number, I'll press the five by a nickle and rack the rest. If it is a 4,9,10 I rack it all. If it is a 5, I rack $4 and replace the field bet. If it is an 8 (that has been pressed to $36) I rack $20 and press the 6 & 8 $6 each, and replace the field.
Once I am profitable on the hand, I'll raise the field bet to $12 and press the 6 & 8 with the winning field hits. Once the 6 & 8 get over $60, I start to funnel the winning field hits to the 4,9, and 10. I'll take the first hit and rack it all, then start pressing. On a really long hand, those numbers can contribute a lot of $$ to the profits.
This is very inexact and I am doing everything by feel so far, but it seems to be working. Once I am solidly profitable, I start funneling money to place the point. Hedging the hedge. After the second point has been made, I transistion to a $10 pass and skip the $30 DP.
What I've learned playing this way is that short hands don't cost too much, medium hands can be marginally profitable, long hands make good money, but not nearly as much as if you were 100% rightside.
Why don't you play baseball?
I start $30 DP, $30 6 & 8. Sometimes I work on the CO, sometimes not. What I'm trying to do is to get a field bet out there and rack the first few hits of it as soon as possible. I need to hit a 6 or 8 first to do that.
If I was working, and I came out on a 6 or 8, (let's assume I come out on a 6)I would immediately press the 6 by $12, and place $10 field bet. so if I bullfrog the point, I make $9 net. If I came out on a number that was not a 6 or 8, I would not press until profitable on the hand.
Next toss- If I hit a field bet for $10, I place the 5 for $10. If I hit the 5, I'll be down $10 for the hand and replace the field bet. If it is a 6, I rack $9, if it is an 8, I press the 8 by $6 and rack $19, and replace the field bet. If it is a 7, I have lost $17 on this hand.
Next Toss- If it is a craps number, I'll press the five by a nickle and rack the rest. If it is a 4,9,10 I rack it all. If it is a 5, I rack $4 and replace the field bet. If it is an 8 (that has been pressed to $36) I rack $20 and press the 6 & 8 $6 each, and replace the field.
Once I am profitable on the hand, I'll raise the field bet to $12 and press the 6 & 8 with the winning field hits. Once the 6 & 8 get over $60, I start to funnel the winning field hits to the 4,9, and 10. I'll take the first hit and rack it all, then start pressing. On a really long hand, those numbers can contribute a lot of $$ to the profits.
This is very inexact and I am doing everything by feel so far, but it seems to be working. Once I am solidly profitable, I start funneling money to place the point. Hedging the hedge. After the second point has been made, I transistion to a $10 pass and skip the $30 DP.
What I've learned playing this way is that short hands don't cost too much, medium hands can be marginally profitable, long hands make good money, but not nearly as much as if you were 100% rightside.
See it in your mind FIRST...Then do it!
Re: Shootitall system, combine with Jaime's system.
Greeting Americraps,
I like what you are telling me, do you think this system will work the same way at the live CASINO as it does at your home table.
please keep us inform when you do try it at your local casino.
why i don't play baseball,the ST.LOUIS CARDINALS have a baseball player with the
same name as me, i don't want you to think that, that Jaime Garcia and i are the same person.
Jaime Garcia--- not the baseball player.
I like what you are telling me, do you think this system will work the same way at the live CASINO as it does at your home table.
please keep us inform when you do try it at your local casino.
why i don't play baseball,the ST.LOUIS CARDINALS have a baseball player with the
same name as me, i don't want you to think that, that Jaime Garcia and i are the same person.
Jaime Garcia--- not the baseball player.
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So who won the war?Americraps wrote:I think I'm going to wargame this.
Re: Shootitall system, combine with Jaime's system.
Yeah, I'd like to see results on a roll-by-roll basis for a hundred or so tosses . . . for starters. Then maybe one of you IT geniuses can write a script for it and run it through WinCraps for a million or so.
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Re: Shootitall system, combine with Jaime's system.
UPdate-
Here's where I'm currently at.
Book 1- BR started with $2,000, ended with $3188, SRR of 7.06
Book 2 BR started with $3188, ended with $3137, SRR of 5.85
Book 3 BR started with $3137, is now $5802 as of roll # 667, SRR is 7.67.
As the srr goes up, I'm getting more aggressive. I'm now starting with $30DP, $6, 8, and a $10 field, almost always wotco. If I come out on a 6 or 8, I will press $18 of the $25 net payout (to overcome the don't and the field). If I bullfrog the point, that $48 six will pay $56 minus $40 for the DP and field = $16 net. That kinda sucks, but you are now in position to collect a decent payout on the next six. The first field hit funds a $10 five, completing the Iron cross. If I start hitting a lot of fives, I will press the five when I can, but I usually keep it as a near break even outcome.
Heavy, (or anyone else) If you want the rolls, I can post them or email them.
This would be a beeyotch to write a script for, and like I wrote before, I'm feeling my way through this. None of these plays is set in stone. One thing has been very consistant-the presses are relatively conservative. For instance whenever I hit a 6 or 8 (except for the first one if I am WOTCO), I press them both up by $6 until they get to $60. That's aggressive when you are collecting a net $25 payout, but not so aggressive when they are at $54. After $60, I press whichever hit (by $12 to $72, then $90, $120, $150)
I've been having a lot of fun with this betting scheme.
Here's where I'm currently at.
Book 1- BR started with $2,000, ended with $3188, SRR of 7.06
Book 2 BR started with $3188, ended with $3137, SRR of 5.85
Book 3 BR started with $3137, is now $5802 as of roll # 667, SRR is 7.67.
As the srr goes up, I'm getting more aggressive. I'm now starting with $30DP, $6, 8, and a $10 field, almost always wotco. If I come out on a 6 or 8, I will press $18 of the $25 net payout (to overcome the don't and the field). If I bullfrog the point, that $48 six will pay $56 minus $40 for the DP and field = $16 net. That kinda sucks, but you are now in position to collect a decent payout on the next six. The first field hit funds a $10 five, completing the Iron cross. If I start hitting a lot of fives, I will press the five when I can, but I usually keep it as a near break even outcome.
Heavy, (or anyone else) If you want the rolls, I can post them or email them.
This would be a beeyotch to write a script for, and like I wrote before, I'm feeling my way through this. None of these plays is set in stone. One thing has been very consistant-the presses are relatively conservative. For instance whenever I hit a 6 or 8 (except for the first one if I am WOTCO), I press them both up by $6 until they get to $60. That's aggressive when you are collecting a net $25 payout, but not so aggressive when they are at $54. After $60, I press whichever hit (by $12 to $72, then $90, $120, $150)
I've been having a lot of fun with this betting scheme.
See it in your mind FIRST...Then do it!
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I'm liking what I'm seeing with it.
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I just shot a 47 roll hand in practice and made $2130 playing the hedge with field system. It felt like I should have made more, but my presses are conservative. My best repeater was the 8, at 10X. I started with a $30 8 and ended with $300 eight.
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Okay, Americraps. Recap time on this strategy please. Initial bets across the board. Press moves. The whole nine yards. Thanks.
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The Americraps I know would have made 20K on a 47 roll hand, meanwhile I would have made somewhere around $1200.Americraps wrote:I just shot a 47 roll hand in practice and made $2130 playing the hedge with field system. It felt like I should have made more, but my presses are conservative. My best repeater was the 8, at 10X. I started with a $30 8 and ended with $300 eight.
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LL-Maybe $10K, not $20K, depends on the units. Exponential odds would have crushed on that hand.
Lately, I've been rolling like poo. Here's where I'm at-After starting with $2K, I have rolled 5 books plus 175 rolls. My BR is currently $7,110, up $5K and change. Sounds good, but it was $1800 higher at the start of this book. How did I lose $1800 in 175 rolls? WOTCO, pressing from the get go,and throwing lots of sevens. How did I win all that $? By WOTO, pressing from the get go and NOT throwing too many sevens.
I think when I go into one of these funks, I need to back off on the pressing and just collect till I'm above water on the hand. I would have saved at least $1K on this book by doing that, and I believe Shootitall had that plan in mind when he created his original system. i'm hoping you'll chime in here, Shootitall, and I apologize for defiling your system.....
OK, H, here's what I'm doing that WORKS SO WELL when the SRR is above 6.5, and SUCKS SO BAD when the srr is 4.2 (like it is right now on this book).
Begin with $30 DP, $30 6&8, $15 five, WOTCO. I'm hoping to toss a 6 or 8 . When that happens, I take the entire payout ($35) and press the point (lets say the six) 3 units to $48, also press the 8 2 units to $42. There's $5 of payout left and I'll steal $5 more from my rack to establish a $10 field. Now the Iron Cross is established and I get paid on every roll except the 7.
If the first toss is a five, I collect $21. Steal $1 from the rack, press the six and eight to $36, and bet $10 field.
If the first few tosses are field numbers then I'll go ahead and add a field bet.
Same beginning bets except I have added a $10 (or $12) field on the comeout.
- First toss is aces! Pays $50. Make the $6 & 8 look like $42 each, and rack the remaining $26.
-First toss is ace deuce. Pays $40. $6 & 8 go to $42, rack $16.
-First toss is 4,9, or 10. Pays $10. Place the point for $10, OR press the 6 & 8 1 unit, OR rack the $10. I usually press the six and eight with field hit money till I get to $42 on them, then I'm likely to place the point with the next field hit. This is where the feel of the hand comes into play. If you are hot, you want to get more on the table, if you aren't sure then you should just rack every payout till you are up on the hand, if you are cold, don't play this system.
-First toss is a 5, pays $11 (after replacing the field). Steal $1 from the rack and press the 6 & 8 1 unit each to $36.
-First toss is 6 or 8, pays $25 (after replacing the field), steal $5 from your rack and press the one that hit 3 units and press the sister 2 units. When you make the point, you net $16 (after replacing the field and DP), rack the $16. If you hit the sister, press it by 1 unit. Once they get to $42 I only press the one that hits. Earlier, I was pressing both till I got to $60. Either way can work.
First toss is a yo-Lose $20. Say WTF, whine and complain a little.....
First toss is boxcars, pays $30. Rack $6 and press the 6 & 8 to $42 each. If the 6 & 8 are already at $42 or higher, then place the 4,9,10 for $10. If they are already placed, then rack the $30.
-First toss is 7- Lose $115. After 1 comeout seven, I think its best to not work the box numbers, although I almost never follow my own advice.
Once you get the 6 & 8 to $42 and establish a field bet, the betting gets more simple. As a general rule I press whats hitting, but no more than 20% of the net payout. I'm using a straight six set, and not throwing a lot of fives. If I was using the 3V, I would probably try to get more $ on the five.
My press schedule once I get to $42 on the 6/8 is $48, $54, $60, $72, $90, $120, $150, $180, $240, $300. Its kinda slow, but you've got to rack something after such aggressive pressing in the beginning.
Press schedule for the 5 is very slow- $15, 20, 25, 35, 50, 75, 100, 150.
Pressing the 9 can be a little more aggressive because the field bet wins too. $10, $20, $30, 50, 75, 100, 150.
Pressing the 4/10. I usually press both $10, 15, 25. At this point I press whichever is hitting $35, 60, 100, 150.
Like I said before, I'm messing around with this and I'm changing it as I go along. Until today I've been hot and shooting pretty well, and there's no doubt that I've won because of that. I may ultimately end up rack the first few payouts entirely, but for now I'll keep with this schedule. Hope this helps, H.
Lately, I've been rolling like poo. Here's where I'm at-After starting with $2K, I have rolled 5 books plus 175 rolls. My BR is currently $7,110, up $5K and change. Sounds good, but it was $1800 higher at the start of this book. How did I lose $1800 in 175 rolls? WOTCO, pressing from the get go,and throwing lots of sevens. How did I win all that $? By WOTO, pressing from the get go and NOT throwing too many sevens.
I think when I go into one of these funks, I need to back off on the pressing and just collect till I'm above water on the hand. I would have saved at least $1K on this book by doing that, and I believe Shootitall had that plan in mind when he created his original system. i'm hoping you'll chime in here, Shootitall, and I apologize for defiling your system.....
OK, H, here's what I'm doing that WORKS SO WELL when the SRR is above 6.5, and SUCKS SO BAD when the srr is 4.2 (like it is right now on this book).
Begin with $30 DP, $30 6&8, $15 five, WOTCO. I'm hoping to toss a 6 or 8 . When that happens, I take the entire payout ($35) and press the point (lets say the six) 3 units to $48, also press the 8 2 units to $42. There's $5 of payout left and I'll steal $5 more from my rack to establish a $10 field. Now the Iron Cross is established and I get paid on every roll except the 7.
If the first toss is a five, I collect $21. Steal $1 from the rack, press the six and eight to $36, and bet $10 field.
If the first few tosses are field numbers then I'll go ahead and add a field bet.
Same beginning bets except I have added a $10 (or $12) field on the comeout.
- First toss is aces! Pays $50. Make the $6 & 8 look like $42 each, and rack the remaining $26.
-First toss is ace deuce. Pays $40. $6 & 8 go to $42, rack $16.
-First toss is 4,9, or 10. Pays $10. Place the point for $10, OR press the 6 & 8 1 unit, OR rack the $10. I usually press the six and eight with field hit money till I get to $42 on them, then I'm likely to place the point with the next field hit. This is where the feel of the hand comes into play. If you are hot, you want to get more on the table, if you aren't sure then you should just rack every payout till you are up on the hand, if you are cold, don't play this system.
-First toss is a 5, pays $11 (after replacing the field). Steal $1 from the rack and press the 6 & 8 1 unit each to $36.
-First toss is 6 or 8, pays $25 (after replacing the field), steal $5 from your rack and press the one that hit 3 units and press the sister 2 units. When you make the point, you net $16 (after replacing the field and DP), rack the $16. If you hit the sister, press it by 1 unit. Once they get to $42 I only press the one that hits. Earlier, I was pressing both till I got to $60. Either way can work.
First toss is a yo-Lose $20. Say WTF, whine and complain a little.....
First toss is boxcars, pays $30. Rack $6 and press the 6 & 8 to $42 each. If the 6 & 8 are already at $42 or higher, then place the 4,9,10 for $10. If they are already placed, then rack the $30.
-First toss is 7- Lose $115. After 1 comeout seven, I think its best to not work the box numbers, although I almost never follow my own advice.
Once you get the 6 & 8 to $42 and establish a field bet, the betting gets more simple. As a general rule I press whats hitting, but no more than 20% of the net payout. I'm using a straight six set, and not throwing a lot of fives. If I was using the 3V, I would probably try to get more $ on the five.
My press schedule once I get to $42 on the 6/8 is $48, $54, $60, $72, $90, $120, $150, $180, $240, $300. Its kinda slow, but you've got to rack something after such aggressive pressing in the beginning.
Press schedule for the 5 is very slow- $15, 20, 25, 35, 50, 75, 100, 150.
Pressing the 9 can be a little more aggressive because the field bet wins too. $10, $20, $30, 50, 75, 100, 150.
Pressing the 4/10. I usually press both $10, 15, 25. At this point I press whichever is hitting $35, 60, 100, 150.
Like I said before, I'm messing around with this and I'm changing it as I go along. Until today I've been hot and shooting pretty well, and there's no doubt that I've won because of that. I may ultimately end up rack the first few payouts entirely, but for now I'll keep with this schedule. Hope this helps, H.
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You might need one of those laminated play sheets that football head coaches use! A lot of stuff to remember and do in a short time. The press schedule needs revisions, bigger jumps!
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Americraps: In no way you have defiled my system. My system is simple and straight forward and works until it doesn't. It is designed to lap the table until it is your turn to shoot without getting killed. What you are doing is completely different. The only similarity is making a bet on the craps table. If you can figure out a way to get the money, great. What I see in your system are two things:
1. Making additional bet before you are ahead in a hand.
2. Not enough regression to ensure profit.
It is a funny thing about thinking a hand will last "one more roll". It'll get you killed. Ya gotta keep your greed in check.
On a day it's just not happening for you, quit. You will usually make more by walking away and not losing more than staying and know, "This shit cannot happen to me!!!" There are several stories on the board here where Heavy saved me a ton because, "He CAN'T throw another 4!!!!" Those days are long behind me, I learned my lesson, in ABQ if I remember correctly. Never again.
I honesty do not care what anyone does to "my system", because any changes and it becomes "Your system". I want all the board member to do good but I know that is not to be but every board member that has read these pages knows what to do to not get killed but whether he does it or not, his choice.
If I could give you one piece of advice it would be: Spend a lot of time in your thinking chair. sia
1. Making additional bet before you are ahead in a hand.
2. Not enough regression to ensure profit.
It is a funny thing about thinking a hand will last "one more roll". It'll get you killed. Ya gotta keep your greed in check.
On a day it's just not happening for you, quit. You will usually make more by walking away and not losing more than staying and know, "This shit cannot happen to me!!!" There are several stories on the board here where Heavy saved me a ton because, "He CAN'T throw another 4!!!!" Those days are long behind me, I learned my lesson, in ABQ if I remember correctly. Never again.
I honesty do not care what anyone does to "my system", because any changes and it becomes "Your system". I want all the board member to do good but I know that is not to be but every board member that has read these pages knows what to do to not get killed but whether he does it or not, his choice.
If I could give you one piece of advice it would be: Spend a lot of time in your thinking chair. sia
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Re: Shootitall system, combine with Jaime's system.
Thanks SIA, My thinking chair is white plastic and has a big hole in the middle!
I don't think I would use this on a table of Randies, but I would use this at a table of DIs. Not till the second and third time around the table though. The first time has the tendancy of being a darksiders round, at least in my limited experience.
I don't think I would use this on a table of Randies, but I would use this at a table of DIs. Not till the second and third time around the table though. The first time has the tendancy of being a darksiders round, at least in my limited experience.
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Greetings S.I.ALL and AMERICRAPS,
Shootitall, what americraps has done is the following----he has taking the shootitall system, combine with Jaime's system AND ADDED THE FIELD TO IT, I think that system is a good way to make money on any number thrown by the shooter, good idea Americrap.
americraps, please follow shootitall's advice.
Jaime Garcia----not the baseball player.
Shootitall, what americraps has done is the following----he has taking the shootitall system, combine with Jaime's system AND ADDED THE FIELD TO IT, I think that system is a good way to make money on any number thrown by the shooter, good idea Americrap.
americraps, please follow shootitall's advice.
Jaime Garcia----not the baseball player.
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Nice systems all!
SIA...Being a newbie myself, I like using your system. It seems to keep me on an even keel (with the BR) at the casino while getting in more practice time.
Jaime/Americraps...As my shooting improves, I like your implementations. I will integrate them when the moment seems right.
Thanks ALL for the system posts!
Michael
SIA...Being a newbie myself, I like using your system. It seems to keep me on an even keel (with the BR) at the casino while getting in more practice time.
Jaime/Americraps...As my shooting improves, I like your implementations. I will integrate them when the moment seems right.
Thanks ALL for the system posts!
Michael
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Re: Shootitall system, combine with Jaime's system.
Yeah, Tony. That's exactly what I was thinking about doing. Put together a cheat-sheet - about business card size - that I could take to the table with me. Seems like I can't remember anything anymore. This getting old stuff . . .You might need one of those laminated play sheets that football head coaches use! A lot of stuff to remember and do in a short time. The press schedule needs revisions, bigger jumps!
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All need to do is wargame it at home for a while. The press moves can be altered to fit your current shooting state. For instance, if you are pounding the 5, then instead of starting small on the 5, start with $25, and when you get your first hit of any number, press it. How much? However much you want.
If you are running cold, don't press anything till you are profitable, or better yet, regress. Maybe we should call this SOPIC. Seat of the pants Iron Cross
If you are running cold, don't press anything till you are profitable, or better yet, regress. Maybe we should call this SOPIC. Seat of the pants Iron Cross
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UPdate time- After 10 books and 145 rolls into the 11th book the BR (started at $2K) is a little north of $11400. I was getting punished for my over aggression for several books and the BR went down to the $6K range. In the last two books I popped off two 40+ plus hands and presto! up to $11K. So what I'm learning is that early pressing only works when you have some long hands with lots of repeaters, otherwise you are better off waiting till you are profitable to press. I guess I knew that already but it seems different when you actually wargame it.
I took your advice to heart, Tonybugs and got a little more agressive after the first initial few small presses. For the 6 & 8, once I get to $42, I'll rack at least 1 entire hit w/o pressing then go to $60, $90, $120, $180, $300, $420, $600. For the 4 & 10 I press them in pairs. Once I get a hit at $10 they both go to $15, $20, $25. I know these are really conservative presses early, but it seems to be working. From there I press them individually. $40, $75, $125, $225.
I decided to call this perversion The Cake System. Having the DP along with rightside action allows you to minimize losses on the short hands yet make decent $ on a long hand. It's like having your cake and eating it too!
I took your advice to heart, Tonybugs and got a little more agressive after the first initial few small presses. For the 6 & 8, once I get to $42, I'll rack at least 1 entire hit w/o pressing then go to $60, $90, $120, $180, $300, $420, $600. For the 4 & 10 I press them in pairs. Once I get a hit at $10 they both go to $15, $20, $25. I know these are really conservative presses early, but it seems to be working. From there I press them individually. $40, $75, $125, $225.
I decided to call this perversion The Cake System. Having the DP along with rightside action allows you to minimize losses on the short hands yet make decent $ on a long hand. It's like having your cake and eating it too!
See it in your mind FIRST...Then do it!
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Goodmorning Americraps,
I think you are about to beat the game of craps.
Ameri---what ever happened to your friend $5 dollar bill is he sick , or worse.
I miss his daily post, how he wins and then loses everything in one day.
J.G.C.---N.T.BB. PLAYER.
I think you are about to beat the game of craps.
Ameri---what ever happened to your friend $5 dollar bill is he sick , or worse.
I miss his daily post, how he wins and then loses everything in one day.
J.G.C.---N.T.BB. PLAYER.