The Manfred Mann
This system is inspired by their 60s song 5-4-3-2-1 and also pays homage to the band's largest hit of the era if a full series of bets is completed. It is available in 3 flavours: Gold , Platinum and VIP High Roller.
Gold
Once a shooter establishes a point place the 6&8 for $6 each.
You now count for a maximum of 5 rolls to get one paying hit. If you don’t get a hit within 5 rolls, then take your bets down and wait for the next shooter.
(Please note: Come out rolls are not included at any stage during this system)
Get a hit within 5 rolls, then re-set your shot clock - this time for 4 rolls. Again, if no hit within 4 rolls take your bets down.
If you do get a paying hit within the 4 rolls, re-set the shot clock to 3 rolls.
Repeat as above for 2 rolls and 1 roll, always taking your bets down if you do not get a hit within the specified number of rolls.
If you achieve a full Manfred of 5 paying hits, you shout “Do Wah Diddy Diddy”, take all bets down and you will have $35 profit in your rack.
Platinum
The more advanced level of this system also builds in a gradual regression to your bet level. Again we bet on both the 6&8 and we have to get one hit at each level to move on to the next stage, or we take our bets down and wait for the next shooter.
$30 6&8 for 5 rolls max, then
$24 6&8 for 4 rolls max, then
$18 6&8 for 3 rolls max, then
$12 6&8 for 2 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 1 roll only.
Once again, a full Manfred should be signalled with a shout of “Do Wah Diddy Diddy”. This time a completed series will show a profit of $35 + $28 + $21+ $14 + $7 = $105
VIP High Roller
The most advanced level of the system, only for those who have become fully competent at both Gold and Platinum levels and who have the bankroll to sustain an opening play of $180 dollars. This time we build in a steeper regression play.
As ever follow the 5-4-3-2-1 series by betting on the 6&8 , moving to the next level as soon as we get a paying hit or taking bets down if we do get a hit at the current level.
$90 6&8 for 5 rolls max, then
$60 6&8 for 4 rolls max, then
$30 6&8 for 3 rolls max, then
$18 6&8 for 2 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 1 roll only.
If a full Manfred is completed, shout “Do Wah Diddy Diddy” and your rack will show 105 + 70 + 35 +21 +7 = $238 profit.
This system is guaranteed to work until it doesn’t.
The Manfred Mann
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Dylanfreake
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Re: The Manfred Mann
I think the Manfred Mann played some Bob Dylan songs?
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wild child
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Re: The Manfred Mann
The Manfred Mann...5-4-3-2-1
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Am I comprehending The Manfred Man correctly ???>
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The largest Risk Of Loss is in the first step when the least $ or L is at risk of loss...
...The wager plan reduces the number of rolls at risk as each plateau is reached
and the as the purse grows larger...
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?---If you go for the full ride on one shooter ,
the shooter would have to toss at least 15 rolls.
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( or once the 6 & 8 are tossed,
do you pull down the 6 & 8 wager(s)
and await the next shooter ?)
.
Should the shooter toss numbers other than the Six / Eight,a greater number of rolls
may be required if you are going for it on one shooter .........??
I may have seen players using a similar concept
with a Wager Plan of Place Betting $110 on the Inside (5-6-8 9) Numbers
and betting several players in a string...
..
About the fourth /fifth player,it looked like an expensive
P S O or P/L POINT- NUMBER SEVEN OUT would take it all away....
......
Seems like The Manfred Man would be a rush when it is successfully completed
and a bummer when it duds..........
just me saying
W C
>>>>>>>>>>>
Am I comprehending The Manfred Man correctly ???>
>>>
The largest Risk Of Loss is in the first step when the least $ or L is at risk of loss...
...The wager plan reduces the number of rolls at risk as each plateau is reached
and the as the purse grows larger...
.....................
?---If you go for the full ride on one shooter ,
the shooter would have to toss at least 15 rolls.
.
( or once the 6 & 8 are tossed,
do you pull down the 6 & 8 wager(s)
and await the next shooter ?)
.
Should the shooter toss numbers other than the Six / Eight,a greater number of rolls
may be required if you are going for it on one shooter .........??
I may have seen players using a similar concept
with a Wager Plan of Place Betting $110 on the Inside (5-6-8 9) Numbers
and betting several players in a string...
..
About the fourth /fifth player,it looked like an expensive
P S O or P/L POINT- NUMBER SEVEN OUT would take it all away....
......
Seems like The Manfred Man would be a rush when it is successfully completed
and a bummer when it duds..........
just me saying
W C
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London Shooter
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Re: The Manfred Mann
WC - maybe a couple of examples will help illustrate how the Manfred Mann should be played. I will just use the flat bet $6 on both 6 and 8 to illustrate.
Let's take a trip to London Shooter's Not So Perfect World Casino. (It's down the road from Heavy's Perfect World Casino), the comps are lousy and the dice suck).
Shooter 1
3,7,5 - point of 5 is established so place your $6 on both the 6 and 8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
4,9,8 - roll three gives you a paying hit for $7, so you now have $5 at risk. You now aim for a hit in the next 4 rolls
10, 9, 7 out - ouch you lost, you are $5 down.
Shooter 2
6 - place your $6 6&8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
7 out - ouch again, it's a PSO and you just lost a further $12
Shooter 3
10 - place your $6 6&8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
5,5,4,9,3 - no hit so take your money down. You are level on this shooter.
Shooter 4
7,7,11, 6 - place your $6 6 and 8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
8 - great you get $7 back straight away, You now have $5 at risk. Next you aim for another paying hit in the next 4 rolls
9, 10, 6 - point is made and you get another $7 - you are now $2 up on the series
11,7, 6 - you don't count come out rolls, the puck is back on, so you now look for a hit in the next 3 rolls
5,4, 7 - not great but you made $2 profit on this shooter from the two paying hits
You are $15 down for the session.
Time to take a trip up the road to Perfect World
Shooter 5
10 place your $6 6 and 8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
9, 4, 5, 6 - you get paid $7. Now aim for a hit in 4 rolls.
3, 8 - another $7 hit. Next aim is for a hit in 3 rolls.
12, 5, 11 - nothing here in 3 rolls, so take your bets down. You won $14 on this shooter.
7 out - phew, got my bets down just in time.
Shooter 6
11, 4 - place your $6 6 and 8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
8 - bam, you immediately have a paying hit. Now you aim for another hit in the next 4 rolls.
8 - bam, another hit straight away. Now restart your shot clock and aim for a hit in 3 rolls.
3,5,8 - you got your hit just in time. Your shot clock is now set for 2 rolls.
9, 6 - wow this shooter is hot, another $7 hit. You have one final stage to go, for 1 roll only
8 - oh yes, "Do Wah Diddy Diddy". Take your $6 6&8 down. You have achieved a full Manfred
11, 12, 7 out - but you don't care. You have $35 profit in your rack from this shooter and earned a Perfect World buffet comp as well.
Let's take a trip to London Shooter's Not So Perfect World Casino. (It's down the road from Heavy's Perfect World Casino), the comps are lousy and the dice suck).
Shooter 1
3,7,5 - point of 5 is established so place your $6 on both the 6 and 8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
4,9,8 - roll three gives you a paying hit for $7, so you now have $5 at risk. You now aim for a hit in the next 4 rolls
10, 9, 7 out - ouch you lost, you are $5 down.
Shooter 2
6 - place your $6 6&8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
7 out - ouch again, it's a PSO and you just lost a further $12
Shooter 3
10 - place your $6 6&8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
5,5,4,9,3 - no hit so take your money down. You are level on this shooter.
Shooter 4
7,7,11, 6 - place your $6 6 and 8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
8 - great you get $7 back straight away, You now have $5 at risk. Next you aim for another paying hit in the next 4 rolls
9, 10, 6 - point is made and you get another $7 - you are now $2 up on the series
11,7, 6 - you don't count come out rolls, the puck is back on, so you now look for a hit in the next 3 rolls
5,4, 7 - not great but you made $2 profit on this shooter from the two paying hits
You are $15 down for the session.
Time to take a trip up the road to Perfect World
Shooter 5
10 place your $6 6 and 8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
9, 4, 5, 6 - you get paid $7. Now aim for a hit in 4 rolls.
3, 8 - another $7 hit. Next aim is for a hit in 3 rolls.
12, 5, 11 - nothing here in 3 rolls, so take your bets down. You won $14 on this shooter.
7 out - phew, got my bets down just in time.
Shooter 6
11, 4 - place your $6 6 and 8 and aim for a hit in the next 5 rolls
8 - bam, you immediately have a paying hit. Now you aim for another hit in the next 4 rolls.
8 - bam, another hit straight away. Now restart your shot clock and aim for a hit in 3 rolls.
3,5,8 - you got your hit just in time. Your shot clock is now set for 2 rolls.
9, 6 - wow this shooter is hot, another $7 hit. You have one final stage to go, for 1 roll only
8 - oh yes, "Do Wah Diddy Diddy". Take your $6 6&8 down. You have achieved a full Manfred
11, 12, 7 out - but you don't care. You have $35 profit in your rack from this shooter and earned a Perfect World buffet comp as well.
Re: The Manfred Mann
Golden Touch might have the Captain but The Manfred Mann has the Mighty Quinn who can roll a CO natural with a single die.
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn
Kelph
You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn
Kelph
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wild child
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Re: The Manfred Mann
L S
Thank you for the clarification as applies to the Gold,Platinum and V I P levels...
Any confusion is cleared away better than a feldspar ( Bon Ami ) scrub .
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"Diddy dum diddy doo!,Do Wah Diddy Diddy”
Long live the Manfred Mann
W C
Thank you for the clarification as applies to the Gold,Platinum and V I P levels...
Any confusion is cleared away better than a feldspar ( Bon Ami ) scrub .
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"Diddy dum diddy doo!,Do Wah Diddy Diddy”
Long live the Manfred Mann
W C
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London Shooter
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Re: The Manfred Mann
So I have played the Manfred Mann twice in live sessions now.
The first session, I flat betted £6 on the 6&8 at the Gold level. Net result was mainly treading water. After two rounds of 10 qualified shooters I was down £30, not great but not a disaster.
In the week, I did some thinking and ran a few practice sessions and came up with a Gold+ level as I wanted to build in a regression point, but for a bankroll which is not at the Platinum or VIP Level.
A straightforward change, and here we have it:
Gold+
$12 6&8 for 5 rolls max, then
$12 6&8 for 4 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 3 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 2 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 1 roll only.
I went to the casino last night, set aside £240 and eventually played this through 10 shooters. When the cycle was complete I was +£76 for the series. A decent result. It even included one full Manfred of 5 paying hits, equating to £49 and down. The table was a bit quiet, so my English reserve had me Do Wah Diddy Diddying" silently in my head
Will this system make you money on random shooters in the long run? Absolutely not.
However, here's what I like about it:
1) It is using low vig bets
2) A regression point is built in after two hits
3) Each level has a trigger to get your money off the table - if you don't get a hit in the required rolls then take your bets down.
4) It keeps my head in the game in a simple, consistent, methodical way whilst I am waiting to shoot.
Get yourself two hits and you will profit on that shooter. $16 profit is the worst you can do after two hits. You have been paid $28, then regress to a $6 six and eight, so can now only lose a $12 chunk of that profit and you still have a chance to complete the full series and end up netting +$49
Gold+ is the way for me to play this for now.
The first session, I flat betted £6 on the 6&8 at the Gold level. Net result was mainly treading water. After two rounds of 10 qualified shooters I was down £30, not great but not a disaster.
In the week, I did some thinking and ran a few practice sessions and came up with a Gold+ level as I wanted to build in a regression point, but for a bankroll which is not at the Platinum or VIP Level.
A straightforward change, and here we have it:
Gold+
$12 6&8 for 5 rolls max, then
$12 6&8 for 4 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 3 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 2 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 1 roll only.
I went to the casino last night, set aside £240 and eventually played this through 10 shooters. When the cycle was complete I was +£76 for the series. A decent result. It even included one full Manfred of 5 paying hits, equating to £49 and down. The table was a bit quiet, so my English reserve had me Do Wah Diddy Diddying" silently in my head
Will this system make you money on random shooters in the long run? Absolutely not.
However, here's what I like about it:
1) It is using low vig bets
2) A regression point is built in after two hits
3) Each level has a trigger to get your money off the table - if you don't get a hit in the required rolls then take your bets down.
4) It keeps my head in the game in a simple, consistent, methodical way whilst I am waiting to shoot.
Get yourself two hits and you will profit on that shooter. $16 profit is the worst you can do after two hits. You have been paid $28, then regress to a $6 six and eight, so can now only lose a $12 chunk of that profit and you still have a chance to complete the full series and end up netting +$49
Gold+ is the way for me to play this for now.
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London Shooter
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Re: The Manfred Mann
I have played this twice more recently. The first session I only played on 9 shooters before the table hit an extended cold period and I called it a day after a treading water session for +£1.
Last night was less good. Started well with a number of two paying hits. Twice I regressed immediately before the 7 out which gives £16 profit. That feels nice, but across 10 shooters I only got one that gave me three paying hits. From the last 3 shooters I only got one paying hit in total. Net result a loss of £58.
I like the way this plays though. Regression and getting money off the table are things I generally don't do, so this is good for both as has fixed triggers built in. I'm not playing it on all randies. It's probably working around the 50% mark which I am happy with in terms of keeping me in the game.
The vast majority of practice simulations I have done at home have landed somewhere between +100 and -100 across 10 shooters. I'm happy with the expected variance there. Chances to walk with a profit, chances that a losing session wouldn't be too bad.
I'll be taking this one to Vegas with me
Last night was less good. Started well with a number of two paying hits. Twice I regressed immediately before the 7 out which gives £16 profit. That feels nice, but across 10 shooters I only got one that gave me three paying hits. From the last 3 shooters I only got one paying hit in total. Net result a loss of £58.
I like the way this plays though. Regression and getting money off the table are things I generally don't do, so this is good for both as has fixed triggers built in. I'm not playing it on all randies. It's probably working around the 50% mark which I am happy with in terms of keeping me in the game.
The vast majority of practice simulations I have done at home have landed somewhere between +100 and -100 across 10 shooters. I'm happy with the expected variance there. Chances to walk with a profit, chances that a losing session wouldn't be too bad.
I'll be taking this one to Vegas with me
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wild child
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Re: The Manfred Mann
L S
Giving the Manfred Mann a shake down cruise / sea trial on this
weekend Las Vegas trip seems like a fine way to walk it around..
Also the Manfred Man game plan may invite some tweaks from the
collective knowledge base of the good company at hand during the shake down /sea trial..
Looking forward to the continuing saga of the Manfred Man vs Las Vegas
May Dame For-tuna shine favorable on the adventure...
W C
Giving the Manfred Mann a shake down cruise / sea trial on this
weekend Las Vegas trip seems like a fine way to walk it around..
Also the Manfred Man game plan may invite some tweaks from the
collective knowledge base of the good company at hand during the shake down /sea trial..
Looking forward to the continuing saga of the Manfred Man vs Las Vegas
May Dame For-tuna shine favorable on the adventure...
W C
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Dark Side
Re: The Manfred Mann
If I'm reading this correct, you are playing 15 rolls on each shooter?London Shooter wrote:So I have played the Manfred Mann twice in live sessions now.
A straightforward change, and here we have it:
Gold+
$12 6&8 for 5 rolls max, then
$12 6&8 for 4 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 3 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 2 rolls max, then
$6 6&8 for 1 roll only.
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London Shooter
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Re: The Manfred Mann
No, it would be an absolute max of 15 rolls per shooter, excluding come out rolls.
When the first 6&8 is placed there are three things that can happen:
a) 7 out - await next qualified shooter
b) hit a 6 or 8 - move to next level, which is 4 rolls max
c) no hit in 5 rolls - take bets down and await next qualified shooter.
You could progress through the whole series in a minimum of 5 rolls or a maximum of 15 rolls.
When the first 6&8 is placed there are three things that can happen:
a) 7 out - await next qualified shooter
b) hit a 6 or 8 - move to next level, which is 4 rolls max
c) no hit in 5 rolls - take bets down and await next qualified shooter.
You could progress through the whole series in a minimum of 5 rolls or a maximum of 15 rolls.
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Dark Side
Re: The Manfred Mann
I should have stated my question differently. You are going as high as 15 rolls to accomplish your progression.
I think this system has a lot of potential, the only thing that would concern me is the 15 rolls to complete. Of course if you get by the first two levels, there is profit in the tray and anything else is a bonus.
I'm going to test drive this at home, possibly play it in my mind at a live session, where I have no money on the table and see how it works.
Keep us posted on how this is working out.
I'll let you now the results when I test drive it for real.
I think this system has a lot of potential, the only thing that would concern me is the 15 rolls to complete. Of course if you get by the first two levels, there is profit in the tray and anything else is a bonus.
I'm going to test drive this at home, possibly play it in my mind at a live session, where I have no money on the table and see how it works.
Keep us posted on how this is working out.
I'll let you now the results when I test drive it for real.
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London Shooter
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Re: The Manfred Mann
Thanks DS any observations you have on how this plays would be welcome
Re: The Manfred Mann
I will be back in Vegas next week and will work his on the Randies. Thanks for the additional option on play!
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London Shooter
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Re: The Manfred Mann
Good luck Sal. Let us know how it goes and if you manage to hit any full sequences which are quite rare. I only hit one in Vegas.
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London Shooter, got a question for you. When you play this, let's say you get a hit, then come down four rolls later. After a couple more rolls he makes his point. Do you go back on him, or do you only give him one shot at making you money? Seems like I might consider getting back on him.
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Moe Bettor
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Re: The Manfred Mann
Never heard of this play, but it seems to coincide with my play where I take bets down that aren't bringing in money after 3 rolls and junk is showing. Makes for a lot of work for the dealers at times and smirks when the roll continues hot and I have no money up there. But who cares? I don't get stuck leaving a thou on the table either and I have a profit AND usually a 7out occurs soon after anyway. So Ha!
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London Shooter
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Re: The Manfred Mann
Thanks thnick. This was just a play I thought up a few months ago to encompass a few bits and pieces I had learnt on here. Low edge bets, regression, money only exposed for so many rolls, bets off after so many rolls if not hit, less exposure the deeper into a hand you get.
It's a robust play which on average will stand up very well against any other kind of right side strategy.
It's a robust play which on average will stand up very well against any other kind of right side strategy.