Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps System !

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WOLFBYTE
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Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps System !

Post by WOLFBYTE » Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:34 am

Yo...........

This is the time of the year when I go into a mental funk. I find I sit and reflect on

killing a 28 year old.... just graduated from UCLA Medical School, as a

US Medical Doctor, has effected me.

As you may know, I gave faulty CPR on him in the S. Nevada Mts. when I attended

a Jr. College in Visalia, Ca.

A kid US Forest Service Ranger said for me to hit him in the chest.

I did.

He said..... " No, hit him harder ! "

So.... being jacked-up on flight-flight stuff... I hit him super-hard in a two-handed hammer

over-the-head .... downward hit.

It broke his chest and pushed his breast-bone into his liver.

The Ranger was using a trake tube to air-inflate his lungs, at the time, and he

swallowed the green-slime as my super-chest-hit up chucked into the Ranger's mouth.

He then rolled down the snow covered hill.... throwing-up, over and over, as he rolled.

The Doctor's 5 and 6 year old kids were standing at his side and yelling a

blood-chilling Primal Scream.... " Daddy get up ! ...Daddy get up ! "

In the past, I have brought this story up, at this time of the year, and Heavy and

others here have NO idea how much they have helped me to get over my self-imposed guilt.

However, I still reflect on it.... this time of year.

Anyway..............................................................................................................

I am Zumma testing a Field Betting System that came out of a post on this site.

It was a simple statement that said the poster/shooter waits for two back-to-back

field numbers to hit and then he bets on the field......hummmmm ?

So...I web searched for a winning Field-Betting-System. I found there is a 55.6%

probability that a non-field number ( 5,6,7,8 ) will roll before a field number will

roll.

The probability of rolling two non-field numbers, back-to-back, is 30.9%.
The probability of rolling three non-field numbers, back-to-back, drops to 17.1%.
The probability of rolling four non-field numbers, back-to-back, drops to just 9.5% of the time !

So...... how can we exploit the above stats..... betting the field ?

The above stat's author says :

" Once you see 3 non-field rolls come up, bet on the field because in theory, we have a 91.5%

probability to win. If the first bet looses, bet again....because we now have a 94.6% probability of

winning. "

" Try betting a progression chain using this concept. "

I am using the Neural Progression and testing the above system against waiting for two, back-to-back,

non-betted field wins...to pass before betting into the Neural Progression.

So far.... I like waiting for two non-betted field wins to pass before jumping into the Neural Progression.

It sweeps over 5,6,7 and 8 back-to-back non-field wins slicker than cold water on the bare-ass of

a water well driller !

I Zumma back-tested the above using the start-stop betting triggers found in the 4/10 DP Craps

System through 500 back-to-back rolls, so far, with NO meltdowns.....sweet ! :lol:

I like this field-betting because it does NOT piss off PL players like playing the DP line does.

Testing......Testing.....

Wolfbyte........

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Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by Mad Professor » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:27 am

WOLFBYTE wrote:" Once you see 3 non-field rolls come up, bet on the field because in theory, we have a 91.5% probability to win. If the first bet looses, bet again....because we now have a 94.6% probability of winning. "


Hi Wolfbyte,

That is Due-Number Theory, and it is a highly flawed approach.

In a random-outcome game, the chance of a Field-Number showing on any given roll, is 44.4%, regardless of what has rolled before.

It is only BEFORE a toss-series STARTS that you can make the "The probability of rolling two non-field numbers, back-to-back, is 30.9%.
The probability of rolling three non-field numbers, back-to-back, drops to 17.1%.
The probability of rolling four non-field numbers, back-to-back, drops to just 9.5% of the time" statement.

To make a bet-decision AFTER you have seen three non-Field's in a row, based on the fact that a Field-number is now "DUE" is a common gambler's fallacy...and one that can lead to ruinous losses.


MP

WOLFBYTE
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Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by WOLFBYTE » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:27 am

Yo MP, All......

MP I understand what you are saying....However, I did not explain the most important

start/stop betting ' trigger ' I am using.

After three back-to-back losses, ( so... we have 6 back-to-back losses, counting the 3 pre-qualifing losses...net )

I stop betting and wait for a non-betted win to pass by. I then bet the 4th step in the neg. progression.

If I win it I back-down one progression ladder-rung for my next bet. If I win it.... I have had two

back-to-back wins, in a row...so....that progression play is over.

If I lose the 4th progression bet.... I again wait for a double ( 2 ) -non-betted wins to pass before

betting the 5th progression step.

If I lose the 5th progression step....I again wait for now three (3) - non-betted wins to pass before

betting into the 6th progression step.

We are looking for a ' clustered ' outcome bias in our favor & they happen... quite often.

These " betting triggers " have NOT failed. It stops strings of same-way go against the player

wins from eating my betting kitty.

How often have you seen a player using a progression get killed by something like this :

W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W, L, W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,L,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,,W,W.

The above stop-betting betting trigger stops that nonsense..... in its tracks ! :oops:

After all is said and done, the bottom line is : DOES YOUR SYSTEM HOLD UP FOR

TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BACK-TO-BACK ROLLS OR NOT ?

Thoughts ?
Wolfbyte

oldjoe

Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by oldjoe » Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:15 am

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Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by WOLFBYTE » Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:32 pm

Kid-At-Heart....oldjoe, All.......

If I lived in Vegas and trolled the Casino's, on a daily basis, I would use a $10.00, Neural, 8-step, neg.

progression = 10,15,25,40,65,105,175,275.

Or a 15.00 Neural 8-step Neg. progression = 15,25,40,65,105,175,275,425.

A completed game is 20 base units. The 10.00 game is complete with a +$200.00 win &

the 15.00 game is complete with a +$300.00 win.

Win at any level and we move down one progression ladder-rung. Win two of the last three bets & we

move down two ladder rungs.....win it ...... we move down two more progression rungs....until we are

hammering our base bets.... ( 10.00 or 15.00 over and over ) until the cows come home.

I like to win two back-to-back base unit bets before moving on to the next Neural betting set-up.

Below is how the above works. I am using the Zumma 35,000 real recorded, back-to-back

rolls starting from page #1....shooter #2.

SHOOTER :

#2 = ..........7 -9[7.........

#3 = ..........656 ] 11....( run of 4 non-field #'s now ' capped-off ' by the 11 ...bet +$15.00 in fld. box

on next roll ) ...7...= -$15.00 ....bet $25.00 in fld. box on next roll = ....7 = -$25.00....bet $40.00 in

fld. box for next bet = ...7 = -$40.00......STOP BETTING ......wait for a winning non-betted fld. # to win

before resuming the progression.

The next two rolls are .....57 = non-betted losses......

#4 = ....... 1010 ..... The first ' 10 ' is the ...capping of the previous five non-field losses. We bet the next

progression @ one up-step @ $65.00 on the second ' 10. ' We win it. We are looking for two back-to-back

wins.....so... we back-up one progression-rung for our next bet @ $40.00.....it goes = 6107... we lose $40.00.

#5 = ...... 6108447. We lost our last bet @ $40.00 ...so...up to the 65.00 bet ....We lose it too to the shooter's

C/O roll on the six.

We enter our last three-losses-in-a-row bet @ $105.00 for our next bet. It is the ' 10. '

We win our $105.00 bet. We have won our last 2 out of 3 bets....so.... we drop-down two rungs for

our next bet @ $40.00.

An eight is thrown next. We lose our $40.00 bet.

We move-up one-progression-bet next @ $65.00. We win it on the ' 4 ' roll.

Our next bet is down one-progression-rung to the $40.00 bet.

We win it when the roll is another ' 4. '

This play has just completed two back-to-back wins...so.... play over.

On and on it goes........

Thoughts ?
WB

Tn Nighthawk

Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by Tn Nighthawk » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:37 pm

As John Patrick would want us to do, we need to "grasp the play," or something to that effect.
I've read Wolfbyte's, MP's, and others.
I'd appreciate if someone could, make it simple for people like me. (Heavy was right, say it, so I can understand it, or something to that effect."
Is there a 1), 2), 3), that I could follow, and have a fairly decent plan, on the don'ts.
I used the no 4, no 10, for $50, on the come out, for one play last week, and won $50. I used it one more time, and within 4 rolls, lost $100. (again, no 4, no 10, for $50 each)
Just something relatively simple.
If not, that's okay.
TN Nighthawk
p.s. After thinking it over, I don't guess there's a simple, 1), 2), 3).

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Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by WOLFBYTE » Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:02 pm

Yo.........

Well, this system sucks ! :roll:

Sure it works...but using a 10.00 Neural progression it is really

hard to make any good $$$$ using it.

Tonight, I gleefully stepped over 35 losing non-field outcomes and in 43 rolls I cleared....

.... + $40.00 flat ! :evil:

I might as well work a Titanic 550 piece puzzle or buy a crossword puzzle book ?

So...it is history. :shock:

Back to the Neural progression @ the 10.00 base-unit game.

After two 10.00 progression losses, I jump into the $50.00 Neural

base-betted game for two hits. I then go back down to the 10.00 game.

The Neural Art. Intell. Computer tested it for over 1.1 million times.

The Neural betting system generates cash.

The main reason for using this 2-stage Neural is to by-pass the 4/10 Systems & Ol' Hank's

4/10 System's requirements to lay-out massive progression bets on the upper progression steps.

I am only through the first 8 Zumma Craps System Testing pages.

I like it because it has low risk vs.rewards.

WB

soxfan

Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by soxfan » Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:43 pm

Either one of the 2 or 12 is mathematically expected to pop, once within 18 rolls of the cubes. Now, a shrewd cat should be able to come up with a viable style of play based on that, hey hey!

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Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by Mad Professor » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:29 am

You can take the GAMBLE out of dice-influencing…but it’s almost impossible to take the GAMBLER out of the dice-influencer!


Trying to beat random outcomes as a form of entertainment can be fun; but it shouldn’t be mistaken for the fact that your randomly-bet losses will eventually outpace your wins…maybe not today, and maybe not even tomorrow; but eventually they will. :evil:

Unless you or someone you are betting on can de-randomize the outcomes; then you will eventually lose.

Many folks think that they can “time” their bets (jumping in and out of the action based on certain ‘triggers’); but all that effectively does is stretch-out their time at the tables (and temporarily delays the inevitable) without actually earning them more money.

In effect; they lose less because they bet less over fewer bet-decisions; so the losses they suffer are shallower and spread over longer amounts of playing-time…but make no mistake about it; they will still produce a net-loss when viewed over a reasonable number of trials.


Again, unless the outcomes are influenced in a way that produces an excess of certain numbers (or a dearth of them); then you will eventually lose. :cry:

If you want to see how trend-bettors fare; all you have to do is look at their net-losses over their most recent 20 or 25 sessions. While most will be quick to point out their big wins that occurred during that time-frame; their overall net-losses will almost always swamp even the biggest of them.

Trying to beat random-outcomes is not only a tough gig; it’s an ultimately FUTILE one as well.

All is not lost though; if those same players were to dedicate even a quarter of the money that they routinely bet on random-focused betting-systems (especially the negative-progression type), and instead wagered that judiciously on verified-advantage wagers over the same 20 or 25-session trial-period, where they knew they had an honest-to-goodness positive-expectation edge; then their fortunes would turn around.

Will they do it?

No, human-nature dictates that ones own personal need for action, or to their desire to desperately cling to ego-invested beliefs (even when they are known to be wrong); prevent most people from making the necessary changes to their gambling-habits to make them net-winners.

Even many of the best dice-influencers in the world have proven themselves incapable of making those mind-set changes.

In other words:

You can take the GAMBLE out of dice-influencing…but it’s almost impossible to take the GAMBLER out of the dice-influencer! ;)


MP

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Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by WOLFBYTE » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:26 pm

Yo.......

I just got home. I am blessed to live on the South fork Kings River. The river bank is full of 100/800 yr.

old Oak trees. Norman Rockwell would love the area.

Some landowners have installed swimming pool diving boards into the River Banks.

I took John Stossel's 20/20 film crew on a tour of the Kings River when they filmed at my house

for the 20/20 TV show ... " Sick in America. " They said they had never been on a one-laned paved

road before.

Well, Black Friday is over. I bought four HP printers @ +$19.00 each. I was after the B&W & Color

ink cart's. If I bought them outright my cost would have been $42.00. But... buying the whole printer,

with the ink cart.'s included was ... $19.00 per printer..... sweet ! :lol:

MP when I started to read your latest post I kept thinking......

" Jesssss !.............. If I sail out of sight of land....I ' WILL ' Fall Off the Earth ! " :shock:

Setting dice in ALL Ca. Indian Casino's is moot. The cards are ' flipped ' for the points.

So, testing Neg Progressions seem to hold promise at Ca. Card Craps ?...... Any ideas ?

OVERVIEW:

The Neural Betting System used an Art. Intell. Computer. It played itself for 1.1 million times,

and learned to overcome its mistakes by backing up, after a loss, and replaying, over and over, the

loss...until it found a path around its loss. That ' rang-right ' to me.

M. Silverthorne states in his Neural manual the Neural Betting System FAILS in 4 out of 20 games.

However, it has a proven 84% win rate, in craps.

His system has loss-recovery-games built into the Neural's 32-step Neg. Progression.

I like it. :mrgreen:

BEHRON :

Can you share bits and pieces of your system ?

WB
PS: I have been back-testing what happens after a 44 or 1010 comes up. Using the 4/10 " start-stop
betting triggers ....the results are awesome.... so far ! :shock:

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Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by WOLFBYTE » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:25 am

Yo...Behron

This damn Apple computer just ate my long post !

Thank you behron for your post.....reflecting.

WB

anomalyst

Re: Winning 100% of Your Sessions Using a Field Craps Syste

Post by anomalyst » Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:33 pm

WOLFBYTE wrote:This damn Apple computer just ate my long post !
lol, Therein lies the reason I havent purchased an apple product since my apple ][ in the 70's.
Their iCrap offerings have all been downhill since then, though I will admit they do seem to get shinier (and more expensive!).

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