Question...

[nccarl01]

New to the game. Just wondered if the following scenario was possible:

Don't Pass bet for $25

Point becomes 10 for example

Then make a $25 place bet on the 10.

(If 7 comes then it is a push / If 10 comes then profit



Please let me know if this is possible on a Craps table. I greatly appreciate your help and patience with a newbie

[Big O]

yes, you could place it for 20 and win either way

[heavy]

Yep. O is correct. This is a common strategy used by many players. The problem is you have to beat the Seven and Eleven on the Come Out to to get the DP established. That's eight ways out of thirty-six to lose your DP bet. Three ways to win it on the Two or Three carps. The Twelve is Barred. That leaves twenty-four ways to roll a point number. Now, that's a 22% chance that you're going to lose our DP bet to a Seven or Eleven. One in every 4.5 rolls the Seven or 11 will knock you off that bet. But once your DP bet is established you do have an edge on that bet of anywhere from 2:1 on the 4 and 10 to 6:5 on the 6 and 8. But you're negating that by settling for a "push" by placing the point if the number rolls instead of taking advantage of the ADVANTAGE you have on the Don't Pass or Don't Come bet once it is established.

Don't get me wrong. I have Place the point in the past like that before myself. But not as part of a pre-planned strategy. Instead, I do it as part of a hedge play while attempting to get a DC bet established on a point with which will give me better odds of winning. If, for example, I get a $25 DP bet established on the Six, I may Place the Six for $24 and then play a $25 DC bet and hope to get an Outside number established as my second point. At that point THAT number becomes my dominant Don't Number. Then I will likely remove or regress the Place Bet because I now have a second Don't bet up and working and I don't want to dilute the power of that first DP bet any longer. The Seven is due soon and I want to take full advantage of it.

You will see FAR more shooters Seven out on a point of Six or Eight than you will ever see MAKE a point of Six or Eight. Sure, if the shooter is a dice setter - you may want to hedge the bet. Otherwise - that's why we call it gambling.

[goreala40]

i live a hr from my nearest casino in colorado . when i get there i might hit my goal within 15 min or a within a hr if my goal is to make between 10-20% of my buy in . should i get up and go home ?

[heavy]

Well, here's the $25 question. What is your buy in and win goal. Are you trying to win ten to twenty percent of $300 or $3000? Is a $50 - $60 win "worth the drive" for you or are you looking to win more? Now here's part two of this. If you can go with a $300 buy in and consistently win . . . say 15% of your buy in within an hour and you have a $45 win I can tell you you can absolutely do the exact same thing with a $3000 bankroll by betting ten times as much. Do exactly the same thing and you will win $450 instead of $45 all things being equal. Suddenly the trip makes more sense and it's not only a worthwhile endeavor, it can be somewhat life changing. Suddenly that trip becomes worth making three days a week. All of the sudden that turns into close to $6K a month. An extra $72K a year. And then that $3K bankroll turns into a $6K or $9K or $12K bankroll. How do I know this. Because I started out with $300 buy ins with a win goal of 40% (double what John Patrick recommended back in the day). I had a 50% loss limit. I was pretty well disciplined about sticking to it. My bankroll grew. Soon I was buying in for $500, then $1000, then a tad more. But my 401G grew to four figures, then five figures. I'd fly to Vegas for five days with ten grand stashed in various pockets in travel shirts, a money belt, my boots, and in my laptop case. Of course, I'm an old retired fart these days so I'm back gambling on a budget, but the short answer is (IMHO) when you hit your win goal you get up and leave the casino with it. Why? Because if you don't you increase the odds of losing it back and then you spend the rest of the night winning back the same money you already won once. And nothing is worse than having to win the same money twice or three times or more. BUT, if you're wins are not enough - increase your bankroll so you can increase your bet size and win more.

[goreala40]

Going up to the casino if I go Thursday Its a 5$ table and can only play 1.30 hrs. Or go Friday morning it's a 10$ table and play 4-5 hrs .which to choose

[Lkwd]

Great question. That really depends on the casino crowds.
If it’s fairly open and you can get your spot on either Thursday or Friday, pick the low attendance time.

My opinion or thought is Thursdays $5 might be full whereas
Friday $10 May fine more time to play.

Regarding staying 1 1/2 hours or 5. That depends on your live session. If I’m able to hit a 4-5 hour time slot it’s usually 2 playing seasons. I try to get 3-4 shots at tossing. Then it’s the
Hour break to analyze my session. If I’m up and the table is open then my second time is only going to last depending how my tossing is doing. If I’m down on session 1 then session 2 is either successful Recovery or hiring the door. If I’m way up I’ll give session 2, 2 chances


Let us know


Lkwd

[goreala40]

i went thursday morning checked out another casino in the area that start time is 10 am , 5$ table until evening then they switch over to 10$ table . i went to my regular casino to play at 12pm . when i got there i notice two players cards in my usual playing position next to the stick man nit was a nice older couple. i bought in for 500.00$ keeping a extra 100$ in cash in my wallet . it was not a good session i only stayed for 1hr down 300.00 . the table was very choppy . i was only able to get one good roll in hitting snake eyes to win the older lady her bonus. ( how do you deal with choppy tables and whats the best position to shot the dice from i was at the end of the table and felt very uncomfortable)

[dadada234]

@goreala40 take my comments to your above question with a grain of salt. The pros here will

Even though I am a couple of hours away from my nearest casino, I am usually patient and conservative player (smaller bankrolls do that). So even though I buy-in, I don't just jump in making bets. I usually wait to see what a shooter does before deciding how to bet (usually waiting like a 5 count before putting some money down). Look for Heavy's advice on tracking a shooter, if you haven't already.

But I usually assume I am going into a choppy/cold table, so I bet on the dark side before betting with the shooter. My only exception is seeing a male/female couple. If the female of the pair shoots, I don't think twice about starting out on the DP and nothing but DCs. Just my experience the arm candy is good for 1-3 numbers, then usually sevens-out.

As for table position, I can understand trying to find your normal spot to shoot from. Most tables I come across, you have to take whatever position you can get. So I'm pretty comfortable shooting from wherever on the table - though I do try to get near the DC box so I can sneak in those bets and be undercover at the table. Also allows me to square up the dice before I throw using the table boxes to my advantage. From any table position, I initially make minimal bets and use the hardway set so I can get used to the table, landing position, etc before getting into my betting progressions.

Hope this helps.

[goreala40]

i'm learning a lot though this group so thank you for all the help. went up the hill last monday-tuesday stayed at a hotel with my wife. monday played with 500, shut down the table at 9 i was down 100$ looked forward to tuesday for some reason i do best on tuesday . hit the atm for 200$ more bought in this time for 600$ the regular suspects showed up this times a group of guys that buy in about for 1000$ and put in crazy bets. for 3 hrs i had a great time with this table leaving up 120$ it should have been more but i'm a very conservative player it wasn't until i started pressing my 6/8 and playing hi/low for 2$ and hardways that i started making any progress . so i'm going again this monday-tuesday with 1000$ br should i start off conservative and as my session progress open up my betting or vice versa