My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

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My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by Mr Hardways » Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:43 pm

This is a strategy I use when I’m shooting the dice; it’s a 6&8 strategy where I expand to the other place numbers in 2 hits. This is designed for a $15 table minimum. I start out with my pass line bet of $15 with single times odds. Once a point is established I place the 6&8 for $18 each; even if one of those numbers are the point I still place them both. First hit between the 6&8 pays $21; give the dealer that plus $3 and press the 6&8 to $30 each. After I hit either number at $30; it pays $35 so I give the dealer that plus $7 extra ($1 for me $6 across for the dealers) and tell the dealer to place me $96 across including the point and place the dealers $6 across under player control. Once I get to $96 across I use a mid press strategy where I collect some of my winnings and use the rest to press the number. I figure that at most, I’m invested for $76/$77 as my investment from my bankroll; on a decent roll I can make that money back and then some.

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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by 220Inside » Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:57 pm

I'm generally not a fan of across strategies for a couple of reasons. First is that you are putting money at risk on some numbers that you do not have an advantage on. Next is the total money at risk and the number of tosses that it takes to recover to a break-even point because you are spread out too thin. If you're playing a bonus bet in yourself then you have that much additional bankroll risk. The majority of hands are too short to make this a play that I would do. On each hand you don't make it back to even, it digs a deeper hole to recover from on each subsequent hand.

But if it works for you, it's better than having no strategy at all.

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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by AllahPena » Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:27 pm

Great. Now wtf do you do when it comes 9,9,4,5 :?:

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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by chuckindice » Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:47 am

AllahPena wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:27 pm Great. Now wtf do you do when it comes 9,9,4,5 :?:
Exactly. Sometimes I decide to start with $30 6/8 instead of $66 inside. It always seems like those hands that I toss a bunch of outside numbers to start the hand. I don't like betting across. But I also hate rolling numbers I'm not betting on.

I've been practicing some with just betting the 6/8 and 2 Come Bets. Give myself 4 numbers (like $66 inside), but the other two (besides the 6/8) are going to be the first 2 box numbers I hit. Sometimes it works, and sometimes my early tosses give me uncommon numbers for me.

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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by memo » Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:41 am

Mr HW..

Thanks for having the guts to post your strategy.
It was not that long ago that you would have been blown out of the water by a member here for suggesting something that is not mathematically correct/perfect. Hence, everyone except Heavy stopped discussing what in my opinion is one of the most interesting parts to this game. Betting strategies.

AP and 22ten thousand give great insight above..
Betting on the numbers you have a mathematical edge on is by far the best theoretical play. Personally, my edge on numbers, move from table to table, casino to casino, day to day. So what does happen when the 5,9's show, while betting on the 6,8..?
I can count on one hand (Maybe on two fingers) the people that bet only their edge.

On the other hand, betting across is exactly as described above.

Knowing that my 'edge' is fluid, I still believe that it is strong enough to eek out a profit over time. In that light, it becomes necessary to develop a blend strategy. Something that fits your skill level, bank roll, risk tolerance etc.

And that is what is fun about this game.

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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by Big O » Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:11 am

Knowing that my 'edge' is fluid, I still believe that it is strong enough to eek out a profit over time. In that light, it becomes necessary to develop a blend strategy. Something that fits your skill level, bank roll, risk tolerance etc.
Well stated. I feel my edge on certain numbers my vary from time to time. While I understand variance can often be the culprit, I choose to believe it is often something a little different in my grip or toss. As long as I can keep my 7 avoidance I can make money. Maybe not as much as if I always had the same dominant numbers and bet accordingly but still be profitable.
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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by BigJohnOhio » Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:55 pm

memo wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:41 am I can count on one hand (Maybe on two fingers) the people that bet only their edge.

On the other hand, betting across is exactly as described above.
Memo,

Betting your edge is one of the main things that Nate teaches with his bonetracker class. That class has changed my whole playing experience. For instance, I was playing on the crap less at Bally's and I had place bet's on 3,4,5,8,9 & 11. From my logged books I knew these were my top 6 numbers with the highest percentage of showing up, after numerous rolls the dealer looked at me and smiled. He was trying to get me to bet the 6 but I told him it was not one of my regular numbers I tossed and he laughed, after hitting every one of my bets several times he ask how often I practiced on my table at home. LOL. I ended up only needing the 2 & 12 for the all, the dealer ask if I had a set for those and I said I sure do. I stepped back and pulled out my phone and opened up the picture I took of my sets with the highest percentage of 2's and 12's. I stepped up and set the dice in the cross 6's which gives me snake eyes and on the second toss it hit and he just looked at me and said bet you can't get the 12...I set the snake eyes on top and after 3 tosses the 12 hit for the all. The pit boss just looked at me and shook his head. Obviously that could of went a totally different way but in that moment in the world everything clicked and it worked. Honestly since my class with nate and continuing with books on BT I have been able to snipe numbers several times, does it always work...heck no but when it does it is awesome!

I would venture to assume half of the guys on here bet their edge and know what numbers they frequent with each set. Heck you can watch Ed change his sets on his channel to hit numbers he needs so it is doable. It just takes lots of practice and having your private table is a major plus.

Best of luck!
Big John

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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by Big O » Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:41 pm

He was trying to get me to bet the 6 but I told him it was not one of my regular numbers I tossed and he laughed, after hitting every one of my bets several times he ask how often I practiced on my table at home. LOL. I ended up only needing the 2 & 12 for the all, the dealer ask if I had a set for those and I said I sure do. I stepped back and pulled out my phone and opened up the picture I took of my sets with the highest percentage of 2's and 12's. I stepped up and set the dice in the cross 6's which gives me snake eyes and on the second toss it hit and he just looked at me and said bet you can't get the 12...I set the snake eyes on top and after 3 tosses the 12 hit for the all. The pit boss just looked at me and shook his head.
Sounds like a really player friendly casino to play in. If you have any kind of regular success this kind of interaction with crews and pitt personnel usually brings unwanted attention and heat. I change my set regularly to hit numbers as well but try to do it quickly and discretely to avoid any negative heat from crews.

congrats on the ATS hit.
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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by Tgold » Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:58 am

Thx MrHardways.
Thx for sharing. I like several attributes of your wagering regime.

1)Limiting to 2 or 3 wagers at the beginning of hand. The really short hands won't drop u too far below even so recovery in latter hands will be manageable (meaning an above-avg hand gets you even and into profit territory).

2)I like that your Pos progression is aggressive at the front end of hand (the roll duration we are most likely to see most often).

3)"...I figure that at most, I’m invested for $76/$77 as my investment from my bankroll; on a decent roll I can make that money back and then some...."
I like that you are giving yourself several "tickets" from your buyin and I'm sure u have calculated approx how many tickets(tries) you need to get that above avg hand. re:"tickets": One of our forum veterans (Wizzard) I think coined that term in a lot of his many fine posts.

*Personally, I would probably be more in favor for the first expansion onto addendum numbers to be only on numbers that have hit(e.g., Come out goes to 9, along with your initial 6/8 and u then toss a 5. Then on your hit that you indicate u would go across I would choose to wager that 5 for equi amounts, with expansion onto others in same manner (if one desired). Though Im generally in favor of fewer numbers vs more.

Good thread and thx again MrHardways and best of skill to you
All the best,
Tgold

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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by memo » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:28 am

BigJohnOhio wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:55 pm
memo wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:41 am I can count on one hand (Maybe on two fingers) the people that bet only their edge.

On the other hand, betting across is exactly as described above.
Memo,

Betting your edge is one of the main things that Nate teaches with his bonetracker class. That class has changed my whole playing experience. For instance, I was playing on the crap less at Bally's and I had place bet's on 3,4,5,8,9 & 11. From my logged books I knew these were my top 6 numbers with the highest percentage of showing up, after numerous rolls the dealer looked at me and smiled. He was trying to get me to bet the 6 but I told him it was not one of my regular numbers I tossed and he laughed, after hitting every one of my bets several times he ask how often I practiced on my table at home. LOL. I ended up only needing the 2 & 12 for the all, the dealer ask if I had a set for those and I said I sure do. I stepped back and pulled out my phone and opened up the picture I took of my sets with the highest percentage of 2's and 12's. I stepped up and set the dice in the cross 6's which gives me snake eyes and on the second toss it hit and he just looked at me and said bet you can't get the 12...I set the snake eyes on top and after 3 tosses the 12 hit for the all. The pit boss just looked at me and shook his head. Obviously that could of went a totally different way but in that moment in the world everything clicked and it worked. Honestly since my class with nate and continuing with books on BT I have been able to snipe numbers several times, does it always work...heck no but when it does it is awesome!

I would venture to assume half of the guys on here bet their edge and know what numbers they frequent with each set. Heck you can watch Ed change his sets on his channel to hit numbers he needs so it is doable. It just takes lots of practice and having your private table is a major plus.

Best of luck!
Big John
Hey Big John,
Sorry, just saw this....Sometimes I am away from the board for extended times.

I cannot disagree with what you say...I have also worked with Nate. I am a huge fan, and truly appreciate the hard work and ingenuity he, 2200i, and Coaster have put together. Don't get me wrong. I use the data, I do modify my sets (somewhat)

Fantastic to hear about your success...Maybe start a thread, 'How is this working for you'.. Pros and cons.
What I find, is that my numbers will shift in groups, depending on the circumstances. That is my personal puzzle. What are the changes that makes my influence shift. More of a technique, state of mind, table condition question.

Until then, when the 9's start popping (while expecting 6,8), I am not changing my set, I am betting into it.

One word of caution.
We used to talk about 'flying under the radar' a great deal here on the board. Not so much now, since it is all out in the open, and they do not think we can create an edge...
I would be very careful about bragging to staff and floor people, and then demonstrating your ability. I would do nothing to dispel the idea that we are working on luck, faith and superstition.
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Where I frequent, they think I am the nicest, happy, dummy they ever saw.

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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by stratocasterman » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:59 pm

Tgold wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:58 am 1)Limiting to 2 or 3 wagers at the beginning of hand. The really short hands won't drop u too far below even so recovery in latter hands will be manageable (meaning an above-avg hand gets you even and into profit territory).

2)I like that your Pos progression is aggressive at the front end of hand (the roll duration we are most likely to see most often).

3)"...I figure that at most, I’m invested for $76/$77 as my investment from my bankroll; on a decent roll I can make that money back and then some...."
I like that you are giving yourself several "tickets" from your buyin and I'm sure u have calculated approx how many tickets(tries) you need to get that above avg hand. re:"tickets": One of our forum veterans (Wizzard) I think coined that term in a lot of his many fine posts.

*Personally, I would probably be more in favor for the first expansion onto addendum numbers to be only on numbers that have hit(e.g., Come out goes to 9, along with your initial 6/8 and u then toss a 5. Then on your hit that you indicate u would go across I would choose to wager that 5 for equi amounts, with expansion onto others in same manner (if one desired). Though Im generally in favor of fewer numbers vs more.
Thanks for sharing!

I totally agree with Tgold's points here. Those are usually what I use with my strategies.
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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by midgetcoach » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:11 am

I used this 6&8 this past week on a cool choppy table while waiting for the dice to come back around. After watching the dice go around once I began playing it. After the point I placed the inside for one unit each. Then after two hits on any inside numbers I took the 5&9 down and went from there. Played only those who seemed to be rolling at least a few numbers. Worked well enough I found myself up over $150 in about an hour or so.
Table never did get hot that evening but while using it again the next morning I caught a hot shooter and pressed the middle back up for a nice win.

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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by mainframe » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:30 pm

midgetcoach wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:11 am I used this 6&8 this past week on a cool choppy table while waiting for the dice to come back around. After watching the dice go around once I began playing it. After the point I placed the inside for one unit each. Then after two hits on any inside numbers I took the 5&9 down and went from there. Played only those who seemed to be rolling at least a few numbers. Worked well enough I found myself up over $150 in about an hour or so.
Table never did get hot that evening but while using it again the next morning I caught a hot shooter and pressed the middle back up for a nice win.
I like covering the 6 and 8 in addition to a pass line bet with odds. All these strategies are fine, but the can also lose under the right circumstances.

Sometimes I do a 6 and 8 and take each down after one hit, sometimes I do a 6 and 8 and take them BOTH down after a single one hits. Sometimes I also do a 6 and 8 for 2-3 units ($18 or $12 on a $5 min bet table) and then regress to a single unit after one hit.
These are all good "grind" strategies but can still risk ruin depending on how the dice tumlble

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Re: My personal favorite 6&8 strategy

Post by midgetcoach » Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:57 am

I like covering the 6 and 8 in addition to a pass line bet with odds. All these strategies are fine, but the can also lose under the right circumstances.
Mainframe, yes I agree. The 6&8 are my main numbers but I am learning not to play anything until I can get the temperature of the table. Then constantly adjust as needed.

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