Horn GWAG

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Horn GWAG

Post by crapsjourney » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:39 am

Hi folks

I have a local table that has $5 min on prop bets.

I’m toying with my GWAG game within a game on the come out, to include some prop action that I’ve never used before.

I usually buy in with $300 or $400.

Since a horn at $5 min starts at $20, and I have a small buy-in, I don’t have stones to blow $20 each come out roll.

I’ve realised that I should use the C and E as the poor mans horn for $10.

First hit take $35 for craps and $75 for eleven. Put $20 on horn.

And go from there.

Does anyone else do this ?
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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by SHOOTITALL » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:25 am

I don't think the $20 is correct for the horn as that is not betting a horn but horn numbers individually. You should be able to toss out a $5 horn bet, high on X. Or $4 horn, $1 seven. If I am wrong, my apology as I have never play the props except HWs. I really cannot imagine a $5 table where the C & E are $5 each. Phone the casino, as for the pit and get clarification.
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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by r_ventura_23 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:44 am

Why not use the Any Crap bet for $5. It pays 7 to 1. 10 PL or $15.....$5 Any Crap. All kinds of press option on a hit.

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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by House of Orange » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:16 am

Horn Hi Ace Deuce for right side come out, if you must have something on the yo. Otherwise craps check. If you throw more 1/2 them 1/1 and 6/6 combined like I do, just bet the 1/2.

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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by crapsjourney » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:07 pm

Thanks guys for your thoughts.

Australian casinos are $5 min on all prop bets.

So a horn is $20 minimum. C and E $5 each minimum.

Horn high anything is $25
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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by 22Inside » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:49 pm

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and instead of suggesting bets, suggest that you pass altogether on the GWAG play given the size of your bankroll. Unless you have some ridiculous demonstrated edge on those numbers. Perhaps consider it if you got up big on your regular play. But at a $300-400 buy in, $5 min on a GWAG play is too rich.

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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by House of Orange » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:07 pm

So you say he’s on a journey to bankruptcy? Maybe not with a $1000 buy in.

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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by rhythm roller » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:18 pm

I would put the extra $20 on whatever box number I toss the most. A Less exciting bet but I believe I would make more in the long run that way than betting the GWG. At least that is how my numbers shake out with my toss.
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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by DarthNater » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:48 pm

SHOOTITALL wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:25 am
I don't think the $20 is correct for the horn as that is not betting a horn but horn numbers individually. You should be able to toss out a $5 horn bet, high on X. Or $4 horn, $1 seven. If I am wrong, my apology as I have never play the props except HWs. I really cannot imagine a $5 table where the C & E are $5 each. Phone the casino, as for the pit and get clarification.
Unfortunately here on the Strip there are several places now doing the $5 center minimums Bellagio (intermittently), Bally's, and even last month at the Mirage. Also MGM National Harbor has a $5 minimum on center action including the ATS - those are $25 minimum tables. Last week Bellagio had a $100 table with $25 minimums in the center.

Really cramps the GWAG strategy. Like 22Inside says - be sure of your advantage at these thresholds. It can be great when it hits, however from my observation mileage (and bankroll) may vary, especially if you're puckering at those minimums. There are two tables presently that I know well enough to feel comfortable to do it; though I would likely make it a $25 World. Otherwise look at your book of rolls and only bet the numbers that warrant a bet, good luck, DN8R
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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by SHOOTITALL » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:08 pm

Wow. After reading the above, I have not gotten out enough. I was mistaken which is not that uncommon. Must be a reason I have never played the props. Oh yea: Too much for too little. Now I remember. Sorry guys, just being facetious. Man, those prices can put a real hurt on your BR.
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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by DarthNater » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:07 pm

SHOOTITALL wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:08 pm
Man, those prices can put a real hurt on your BR.
Yeah those big bites can come quickly too, tread carefully everyone

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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by SHOOTITALL » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:40 pm

DN: Now that I have thought on this a little, I have a feeling it is so the Casino will cut out about 95% of the props and therefore can get in maybe 25% more rolls per hour where the real money is. Just noodling on it a bit. sia
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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by DarthNater » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:12 am

Yeah, I know that's got a lot to do with it. National Harbor also says $5 min on the ATS as well & they aren't hurting.......

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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by thnick » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:37 am

Actually the center section of the table is the real money area for the casino. The odds against you are higher. Sucker bet area. They love to have piled up bets there. Yeah it can slow the game which is why they put their fastest people at stick. You rarely if ever see a stick who fumbles bets like the dealers on either side of the box who may have less than five years at it. Dealers have told me..and it's pretty unanimous that it takes at least five years to become a good craps dealer.

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Re: Horn GWAG

Post by crapsjourney » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:32 pm

Many thanks, so many good points have been raised.

$25 world I feel is too rich for my $300 session bank roll at nearly 10%.

I feel the poor mans Horn and World substitute of $10 Pass line and $5 each on C and E is my pathway to the full World at $25 after the first hit.

The $10 PL covers the $10 C & E in case of the seven.

Then I’ll go to $25 World on the first score hit.
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