DP-Across Cant Miss?

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DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by Big O » Wed May 22, 2019 9:09 pm

I know there is nothing new in the craps game that hasnt been done before but in my quest to become a more rounded player i have been trying several dont side betting options. I started with tossing out a few lay bets occasionally. Not totally successful but my timing is improving. When Oklahoma approved dice for craps i decided to check out their tables. I knew the place would be packed. It was a zoo. I was counting on inexperienced players on bouncy tables to be the perfect place to play my first real dont session. As with alot of best laid plans things didnt go quite like i expected. Some of the randies were tossing hands into the. 20s. I was holding my own but felt like i was missing a lot of action. I started using the DP 6/8 one hit cant miss, but when an inebriated shooter from SO tossed his 6th 4 it was more than i could stand so i started going DP and across. Things turned out ok but i didnt try the scheme again until Biloxi.

I had a 100 dollar free bet. I decided to play it on the DP and then i could go 96 across and not have much at risk and get rated better as a player as well. I botched it so again i put the strategy to bed.

This past week i took my wife to Winstar to get a free birthday gift. It was Sunday afternoon and all 3 tables were full with some of them two deep with players waiting. I finally got on but i was figuring it would be an hour before i would get the dice so i decided to try a DP and across action. I guess this was a long round about way to ask but i know some of you have tried this and wanted some imput on how you played it and view it as a strategy.
1. Leave the DP up for a few hits until bets are paid for?
2. Leave it up after bets are paid for and place the number if you get nervous?
3. Leave it up longer on a point of 4 or 10 vs 6 or 8?
4. take a few hits and turn bets off ride the DP to decision?
5. On my self i took couple of hits then switched to pass line and odds a few times?
Any input on this play is appreciated.
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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by heavy » Thu May 23, 2019 1:26 am

Here's the problem with this approach from my POV. First, getting past the Sheriff and the Deputy (7 and 11) on the Come Out to get that $100 DP bet established. THEN, when betting - say $96 across including the point - you're looking at having to score 4 - 5 hits at 3 units per number to win enough to get you to the "can't miss" part of this equation. UNLESS you take a couple of hits, then take down both the Don't bet (not a smart idea since you're booking the house at this point) and the Place bets.

All of the options you mentioned are viable. But if it were me I'd probably go with something more like $90 each on the six and eight and stick with the one-hit can't-miss. I realize you double your exposure on the right side. But do you? You have ten ways to win between the six and eight versus six ways to lose on the seven. Fuzzy math, I know. But I like the idea of getting all the income I need to cover my Don't bet in one hit. I supposed you could cut the bet size in half and bet $48 each on the six and eight and call it the Two hits- can't miss but it doesn't quite have the same ring to it, does it?

I think the key to any betting strategy is to play within your comfort zone and bankroll limits. If you're uncomfortable putting the action out there and leaving it for more than a couple of rolls then perhaps a different approach would be better for you.
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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by 22Inside » Thu May 23, 2019 11:27 am

scout wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 8:45 am
I see your point, Heavy, with the $90 6/8. For clarification purposes though, isn't the OHCM set up with the 6 and 8 each 1/2 of the DP? Somewhat like your $48 (or $54) 6/8 and $100 DP?

I have only played the OHCM a few times on RRs.
OHCM is bets on the 6 and 8 that are each EQUAL to the amount of the DP bet. So for a $100 DP, you would make $90 (or even $96) 6 and 8 bets to have proper sized bets for OHCM.

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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by thnick » Thu May 23, 2019 12:06 pm

Since this discussion is about betting, has anybody experienced the casino now allowing you to make place bets after
the number has been established? It's not a push bet. It is a basic PL bet and you can take full and correct payout odds AFTER the pt. is established. Cherokee allows it.

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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by 22Inside » Thu May 23, 2019 3:05 pm

scout wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:39 pm
Thanks 22Inside.
So in essence each bet is the same amount. In this case 90/90 6/8 and 100 dp.
That's correct scout.

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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by 22Inside » Thu May 23, 2019 3:07 pm

thnick wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:06 pm
Since this discussion is about betting, has anybody experienced the casino now allowing you to make place bets after
the number has been established? It's not a push bet. It is a basic PL bet and you can take full and correct payout odds AFTER the pt. is established. Cherokee allows it.
So it's not a buy bet either? No vig on either end? Even on 6 and 8?

MS casinos (Biloxi and Tunica) do auto buys on 4/10 and 5/9 starting at $20, with vig paid on the back end. That's the closest I've seen to what you're describing.

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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by realtime » Thu May 23, 2019 3:47 pm

Sounds like a "put" bet to me.

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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by 22Inside » Thu May 23, 2019 4:27 pm

realtime wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:47 pm
Sounds like a "put" bet to me.
It does, but Nick mentioned that it was not a "push" bet. I think he meant "put".

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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by thnick » Thu May 23, 2019 7:15 pm

Sorry..not place bet. It is a PL bet after the number is established.Yeah..a put bet which is normally not a great idea unless you are taking
huge odds and you get the benefit of true odds which you don't get with a place bet. I think my mind slipped while I was typing.

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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by Big O » Thu May 23, 2019 9:07 pm

Heavy wrote,
If you're uncomfortable putting the action out there and leaving it for more than a couple of rolls then perhaps a different approach would be better for you
I am not comfortable with a steady diet of 96 across, yet. I havent been using it that way except when i had the free bets for the donts. This past Sunday i was doing it on a much smaller scale. 25DP and 32 across. I was using it mostly on randies to stay engaged in the game and be in position if they caught a hand without risking my place bets to PSOs.

The Sheriff and the Deputy are definitely a deterrent. Over the past year the few times i tried the DP the sheriff would shoot me down then i would start ziging and zagging and abandon it altogether.

I tried it on myself a few times. Instead of betting my usual horn or world i used the DP and a 2$ hedge on the 11. It was somewhat successful. First time i tossed a 3 and the next a 2. The third time 11 and then set the 4 and bullfroged it.

Thanks for the input Heavy, i need to attend the Dark siders ball, but Sept is my busiest month of the year and the mighty Wapiti will be calling me.
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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by heavy » Fri May 24, 2019 1:20 am

Big O - leave the poor Wapiti alone and go shoot a moose in Alaska instead.
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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by Big O » Fri May 24, 2019 8:21 am

Heavy,
Definitely on my to do list. The biggest hurdle, Moose hunting prices have soared the last ten years. Sometimes 3 or 4 times what a comparable elk hunt would run.

I did get to go to Alberta on an archery Moose hunt 15+ years ago. 14 hours into the wilderness in argos (brutal ride). An encounter with 4! grizz. Some tense moments when you are just holding a bow. It was a great adventure but we missed the rut and i only saw 2 the whole trip. I have wanted to go back but the cost goes up faster than i can save for it. Someday.
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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by 22Inside » Fri May 24, 2019 9:56 pm

Fishing for Salmon in Alaska was a lot of fun for me. The ones that were worth keeping, I took to a local processor that dried and prepped it and shipped it back home. Man, that was was some damn good salmon.

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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by wild child » Sat May 25, 2019 1:53 pm

The
"Put Bet" becomes an after the fact Contract Bet on the Do Side of any box number..

(The Dark Side version is to elect to LAY AGAINST a specific BOX NUMBER subjected to DARKside Rules )

.....and ......

the "Put" once established may not be ......decreased or taken down

THUS

should the HAND roll on and on with no decision on that precise BOX NUMBER
the "Put Contract Bet " just sits exposed awaiting a decision Up or Down....

The ODDS you elect to wager on top of "The Put " portion of that contract bet
are permitted to be (Within Table Limits )
be increased , decreased
and/or
REMOVED
and
if chosen to replaced again

for the lifetime of THAT Bet while the game continues
and
other than "possibly upsetting the dealer persona" *and the BOX PERSONA & possibly OTHER PLAYERS
that is just the way THE PUT WORKS.....

just me saying

w c

* frequently requesting the Dealer Persona to perform some
EXTRA "Heavy Lifting"
Mid Hand

may cause other PLAYER PERSONAS to shout explanations such as
" Dirty Roushalafousse "
or
other unkind words in several languages

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Re: DP-Across Cant Miss?

Post by London Shooter » Sat May 25, 2019 2:28 pm

I see this all the time - after the point is established, player puts down a PL bet and adds odds.

On a 3/4/5 table the casino loves this as the customer would always be better placing the number. At the Cromwell with 100x odds, it will be more beneficial to play this way rather than placing the number if your odds are a high enough multiple. I estimate less than 0.001% of the playing population realise this and use put bets as part of an efficient strategy.

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