How do YOU play the hardways?

Setting and influencing the dice roll is just part of the picture. To beat the dice you have to know how to bet the dice. Whether you call it a "system," a "strategy," or just a way to play - this is the place to discuss it.

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Re: How do YOU play the hardways?

Post by Big O » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:22 pm

22 inside wrote,
Ok, so how's this for confirmation bias? I just tossed a quick hand over lunch and tried this out. $66 even, $1 HW bets. 2V set. Set a point of 8. Then tossed hard 4, hard 4, hard 10. Parlayed the first hard 4. Next hit I pressed it to $25 and racked the rest. Parlayed the hard 10 when it hit.
sounds like a guaranteed winner to me, this game is "too easy''!
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Re: How do YOU play the hardways?

Post by DarthNater » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:01 pm

22Inside wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:01 pm
Nate, I didn't realize you didn't play your GWAG after the initial come out. Interesting.

For me, I'm generally off on the come out. What I will do is if an individual HW is pressed up from a previous hit, I'll hop the hardway on the comeout.
22I,
Yep, I had to dial it back to the first come-out for a couple of reasons: 1) switching sets seems to really throw me off; 2) the risk to my bonus bet action gets excessive and creeps into my brain; 3) plus generally I play a variation of the Heavy Heatseeker, so I might have a come bet or two out there.

I went to this approach about two years ago, the jury is still out, so I reserve my right to back track. It should seem obvious when I do it or not; I say take your queue from the shooter, when I don't bet world hi/lo it should be a warning to everyone. Of course it backfired on me last year at Ballys on Vets Weekend. I was at SR2, Heavy was at SR1 getting skinny, and BD was SO when on the 27th roll, I made my point & told everyone no GWAG, yet everyone bet it - I bet a hardway to emphasize things were different. Yeah things were different alright as I toss back-to-back comeout sevens with the v-3 mutant and crash all the $5 repeaters that were one away for everybody. Fortunately I regrouped and started making numbers again and hit two repeaters eventually so it wasn't a total loss, but that little event really has stayed with me; so I dialed down the aggressiveness.

Same with the ATS challenge I took earlier this year, sticking with the same set and letting the numbers fall to me is really paying nicely, D.N8r
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Re: How do YOU play the hardways?

Post by DarthNater » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:09 pm

22Inside wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:05 pm

Ok, so how's this for confirmation bias? I just tossed a quick hand over lunch and tried this out. $66 even, $1 HW bets. 2V set. Set a point of 8. Then tossed hard 4, hard 4, hard 10. Parlayed the first hard 4. Next hit I pressed it to $25 and racked the rest. Parlayed the hard 10 when it hit.
Impressive demonstration of confirmation bias, or skill, or variance...... I dunno, take the cash. Glad you pressed, have you seen my Hardway Analytics post yet? We can program that out; in fact I'd love to see a Hardways trip report where the hards saturate the hand, that would be fun, cheers, Nate
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Re: How do YOU play the hardways?

Post by DanF » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:29 pm

10$ all hw high on 4&10. (2-2-3-3)
Take the number that hit and go to 5$ on the hw.

Double (ish)the hw on every hit.
5-10-25-50-100

That’s my strategy. Lets me place 4&10 pretty often for 3$ on a 15$ table.

Or 1$ all hw go to 5. If I and placing even already.

Also found out a 1$ HW 4 for the boys is a great way to turn down heat. It hit 10 times in a day at Paris. I was their favorite friend!

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Re: How do YOU play the hardways?

Post by DarthNater » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:37 pm

Nice, DanF ! How many hard fours in the biggest hand?

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Re: How do YOU play the hardways?

Post by yoopercrapper » Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:13 pm

I have been tracking my use of hard-way bets as part of my main strategy to win at the table. I play on small tables (5-6 feet long) and the ability to DI is very strong, and my practice table is a replica of what I play on at the casino. My objective is to cash double my buy in of 100.00. I only bet on my rolling or just one hard-way when others are shooting. 8 out 10 rolls I make, I earn money. I use 6-2, 6-2 dice set, bet 10.00 on 4/10 hard each, 5
dollar bet on the field. Normally when I go (once a week), there is usually just me or perhaps one other at the table, so I can get it and go. 8 out of 10 times, I make a 4 or 10 hard before a seven and usually one of the 2 or 12 sometimes both. I have experimented with high/low bets with some good turn around, and I have been incorporating it in my game as of late. When I hit the hard way, I press it 10 dollars each, and if I hit either a second time, i press it another 10 each. I have hit it a few times the third time, which is very nice payout. It's a simple strategy for me, seems to work well, and I can take enough money from them to pay my grocery bill for the family.

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Re: How do YOU play the hardways?

Post by DanF » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:49 pm

One play that has worked fine for me is 10$ spread 2$ea on h6&8 and 3$ea on h4&10, along with even betting of some sort.
How ever I would go to 5$ then half parlay as long as it hits, replace a winner at 5$.

H6&8
So 2 pays 20, go to 5 you pocket 15$,
5 pays 50, you stay for 25$ pocket 25$
25 pays 250, 125$ bet and 125 in your pocket.
125 pays 1250, there I stop the half parlay and just doubble to 250$....rarely you will get 4+ hit.
So 2-5-25-100(125)-250...

H4&10
3-6-25-75-150

How 2$ can pay you close to 1500$ in 3-4 hits.
Fun and easy to manage.
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Re: How do YOU play the hardways?

Post by DanF » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:51 pm

DarthNater wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:37 pm
Nice, DanF ! How many hard fours in the biggest hand?

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Most I get is 3-4 in a row. I've hit the 100-125$ level from time to time.. sure is a nice bonus.

But I often hit a few per session...I like to piggy 1$ h4&10 for dealers...one day I tipped em 100$ in an hour or two that way and they were going nuts

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