Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by DarthNater » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:06 am

memo wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:33 am

I once suggested to MD, that he incorporate something such that as the book hits 720, on the next input, the first toss of the book gets eliminated and the latest toss is added to the end (1 and 720 respectively)
In this way, one would have a never ending fresh book of rolls as one progresses...
Seemed like a good idea at the time.

Memo
I created an excel spreadsheet to summarize my books of rolls. I don't use a 720 tosses book as thats just too much arm fatigue for me and puts me in a position of pursuing rapidity over quality to make quantity goals. Each of my mini-books is usually comprised of 36 comeout tosses and 72 point tosses. I've not yet had a 108 toss hand so this seems to suffice for me. Hence, I also use a capture form that aligns with my comeout set and then my point set, so recording is easy. Its similar to the generic capture form MD attaches in the last Bonetracker tab, but I have inserted room for post-toss analysis and betting what-ifs. So I get more value out of the practice. That way I can more accurately simulate the starts and stops of casino play, even simulate betting as well. I then transpose the comeout set results into the point set results so I have a master set of tosses that I use for analysis. Pasting your BT results into another excel file, as well as pasting the BT analytics really helps me discern how things are going.

If there's interest, I'll clean up the forms and am happy to post them for download on the google drive I use for my Craps Analytics files, D.N8r


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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by Big O » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:49 am

Bentonck wrote.
THey delivered the table two weeks ago but it's still crated until the room is ready.
Man, Bentonck im even getting anxious for it to get set up. I know you must be. Tell you wife to get on the stick and get the room finished. Just dont tell her i said it in case we meet up on the tables sometime!
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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by 22Inside » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:11 pm

DarthNater wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:06 am
memo wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:33 am

I once suggested to MD, that he incorporate something such that as the book hits 720, on the next input, the first toss of the book gets eliminated and the latest toss is added to the end (1 and 720 respectively)
In this way, one would have a never ending fresh book of rolls as one progresses...
Seemed like a good idea at the time.

Memo
I created an excel spreadsheet to summarize my books of rolls. I don't use a 720 tosses book as thats just too much arm fatigue for me and puts me in a position of pursuing rapidity over quality to make quantity goals. Each of my mini-books is usually comprised of 36 comeout tosses and 72 point tosses. I've not yet had a 108 toss hand so this seems to suffice for me. Hence, I also use a capture form that aligns with my comeout set and then my point set, so recording is easy. Its similar to the generic capture form MD attaches in the last Bonetracker tab, but I have inserted room for post-toss analysis and betting what-ifs. So I get more value out of the practice. That way I can more accurately simulate the starts and stops of casino play, even simulate betting as well. I then transpose the comeout set results into the point set results so I have a master set of tosses that I use for analysis. Pasting your BT results into another excel file, as well as pasting the BT analytics really helps me discern how things are going.

If there's interest, I'll clean up the forms and am happy to post them for download on the google drive I use for my Craps Analytics files, D.N8r


PS BentonCK & Mari really killed it this past weekend.....while a least nobody died - I think at least one dealer has a nasty scar......
I'd be interested in seeing this. Sounds interesting.

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by Bentonck » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:54 pm

Big O wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:49 am
Bentonck wrote.
THey delivered the table two weeks ago but it's still crated until the room is ready.
Man, Bentonck im even getting anxious for it to get set up. I know you must be. Tell you wife to get on the stick and get the room finished. Just dont tell her i said it in case we meet up on the tables sometime!
Yeah, I'm pushing. Luckily we are going on vacation (yes, we came back from vacation to go on vacation, but I have to slave the rest of the year) ... for 2 weeks in July so they'll have it finished and set up when I get back. Would love to meet at the tables, hope we can make it happens sometime!

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by DarthNater » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:10 pm

22Inside wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:11 pm

I'd be interested in seeing this. Sounds interesting.
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I've handed them out at a few prior classes, and am updating the file for a more public look. I'll post it next week on my G drive and publish a link, like I'm doing for the Craps Analytics downloads, N8
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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by DanF » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:49 pm

Just had a nice week in practice, casino play was good at akwasasne, but aweful in mtl (I plain hate the table now)...so I practiced in prep for my trip.

Tonight was awesome, was practicing my high roll betting starting 102$ 6&8 and 50$ 4&10...had a nice 40ish streak with my 4@500, 5@75(start@25 and same for 9 late 10ish rolls), 6@1050, 8@1500, 9@300, 10@ 400.
Crazy 6&8 poping 10+ hits each. Collected a good 10 bets over 500-1000$ range.

Total about 8k profits, regressed after 35 rolls to 264 across and got 8 @300 again lol. Musta been almost 15 8’s.

Throwing hardway...go figure.

Flying in Vegas on Tuesday. Hope I keep it going hot!

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by DanF » Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:49 pm

Heating up! Now up to 12.5k.

My throw is zoned!

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by DarthNater » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:57 pm

DarthNater wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:06 am

I created an excel spreadsheet to summarize my books of rolls. I don't use a 720 tosses book as thats just too much arm fatigue for me and puts me in a position of pursuing rapidity over quality to make quantity goals. Each of my mini-books is usually comprised of 36 comeout tosses and 72 point tosses. I've not yet had a 108 toss hand so this seems to suffice for me. Hence, I also use a capture form that aligns with my comeout set and then my point set, so recording is easy. Its similar to the generic capture form MD attaches in the last Bonetracker tab, but I have inserted room for post-toss analysis and betting what-ifs. So I get more value out of the practice. That way I can more accurately simulate the starts and stops of casino play, even simulate betting as well. I then transpose the comeout set results into the point set results so I have a master set of tosses that I use for analysis. Pasting your BT results into another excel file, as well as pasting the BT analytics really helps me discern how things are going.

If there's interest, I'll clean up the forms and am happy to post them for download on the google drive I use for my Craps Analytics files, D.N8r
Below is the link for my tracking sheet on my google drive:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DWKR1 ... =sharing

My apologies for not posting it sooner as have been working on multiple Craps Analytics files while concurrently get some home repair projects done; besides after sharing it a bit, I decided to add an old tracking sheet so you can see how to leverage the form. It's formatted for most printers and there's plenty of space to rack out box numbers as the form in 2017 was initiated envisioned for ISRs, but I moved on from that.

Please feel free to download it and play with it. Any questions or feedback can be emailed to DarthNaterDICE @ gmail.com

Cheers, D.N8r
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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by DanF » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:34 pm

Well, first day in vegas got down 100, second day, down 600. Despite throwing teens I didn’t get paid enough to cover my losses from the table turns and bleeded out slowly all day. Even if I got a part of the roll still stashed, no more playing today. These are the hardest losses, when win enough to keep you from leaving, then slowly give it back and leave on your stop loss. 5 times today.
Ugly day!

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by memo » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:24 am

DanF wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:34 pm
Well, first day in vegas got down 100, second day, down 600. Despite throwing teens I didn’t get paid enough to cover my losses from the table turns and bleeded out slowly all day. Even if I got a part of the roll still stashed, no more playing today. These are the hardest losses, when win enough to keep you from leaving, then slowly give it back and leave on your stop loss. 5 times today.
Ugly day!
Hey DanF,

If you are going to do a trip report....I am interested.

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by House of Orange » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:51 pm

My solution to good shooting, bad partners, is dooey don’t. Lay the 4/10 for sure, maybe get some odds on 6/8. But for sure all, in table minimum.

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by DanF » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:02 pm

Oh I found the solution, got kicked out of freemont cuz I had a good throw with one dice braking before the wall of their warship length table. So far it’s going better.

They asked me to pass the dice, I got into an argument, picked up my bets and went to play next door where I 3x’d my roll.

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by Lkwd » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:22 pm

DanF

I find that anytime I am in Vegas, my first day or two everything seems to unravel. The bad tosses kill me and the great tosses are beautiful PSO's.
If I am at one of Heavy's seminars, the group support gets me back on track. Most of the time I am solo, so I need to get my head right. A lesson I learned from Wizard several years ago was place a pass line bet and just work on your toss for a hand or two. No other bets or odds, just the pass line. Don't worry about how much you would have made or could have lost. Refocus the toss from start to finish. I find that one or two hands seems to get me back on track. Is it mental, of course. I do not worry about the 3 8's or the 4 5's I just tossed with no other money on the table. It's getting me back to center. If i am back on, i'm on. Take a break and as PVW says, go to the pool for a while and enjoy the weather.

When I get back to the tables I am relaxed and ready to get go. My head is right and I know that all the practice I have done will pay off over the next day or two or three.

Does it always work? Not always but I will say the the majority of the time I tend to do much better as the trip continues. You Can't let an early day or two sink all the hours and hours of hard work that you have done.

Good luck and relax............


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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by DanF » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:49 pm

I just know not to buy in bad games, but I did it anyway and went bust lol. Rebuy is done, but it’s going to take a miracle to get me back in today.

Even the pool doesn’t tempt me.

Fuck’d up times, never saw that coming lol. Grinded to death 22$ at a time

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by heavy » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:38 am

It's almost impossible to make money at craps betting table minimums. A $22 inside grind is a killer. One PSO and on the next hand you need four hits to catch up. Another PSO and you're ten hits behind. That's a killer.
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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by gargoil » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:20 am

heavy wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:38 am
It's almost impossible to make money at craps betting table minimums. A $22 inside grind is a killer. One PSO and on the next hand you need four hits to catch up. Another PSO and you're ten hits behind. That's a killer.
HEAVY I agree. That's why I start with higher wagers. But that also can be a bankroll killer with a few PSOs. However on a good roll it can put you back in black quick.

My question is where is the compromise? Where is the middle? As someone (you) who has played the game for so long and seen just about everything, what's your approach? Of course this depends and the casino or the table but in general.

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by thnick » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:33 am

Wizard is right on as usual IMO. PL bet, check your baggage. Are you throwing your numbers. V3 showing 1-2, 11..not yet. I'm with gargoil on going
higher up front once you've connected with your inner craps self. Then I regress..which maybe others don't. I want bets paid for. Not only that, but bets that are up and are not hitting in three rolls, gone! And another of Wizar's suggestions. Get yr damn money off the table. Often. I still like Biloxi's daughter two and down. Not bad.

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by heavy » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:27 am

I agree with the concept of tip-toeing in when you first get in the game. But once you see your toss is working there comes a point where you have to commit. For me, at that point it's $66 inside, $66 even, or even $96 across for a couple of hits, then make some money management moves (regressions) to insure a profit for the hand and go from there.
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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by DanF » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:28 am

Lol, I know all of this. But just hit a bad streak, anything didn’t work, regression, progression, both together, dark side with/without odds.

I can’t beat bad luck lol. My throw looked zoned, I had good rolls, bleed out slowly lol.

Has to happen sometimes. Can’t always be breaking bank.

Loss about 950$. Ain’t horrible. But sure was a pain to watch. 2 good rolls could get me back, it’s not the end of world.

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Re: Is there really such a thing as a "lucky streak?"

Post by rhythm roller » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:38 am

Even if the dice look good. If it isn't working, it may be time to take a break from play. Then back to the same or a different table later. I usually choose a different table just for a clean new start. Yes, sometimes nothing works except not playing at all. Tough decisions need to be made sometimes.
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