How do you handle HEAT ?

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:27 am

I must be getting better.I'm getting alot of heat lately.Anything from your hand can't go past the c & e to hit the wall higher up and bounce back farther.How do you handle this ?

Lkwd · Post by **Lkwd** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:49 am

Michael wrote:I must be getting better.I'm getting alot of heat lately.Anything from your hand can't go past the c & e to hit the wall higher up and bounce back farther.How do you handle this ?

Michael

Sometimes its best to color in and head over to another casino if that option exists.

Lkwd

Post by **heavy** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:22 pm

Yeah, I agree with Michael - IF - you have other casinos to choose from. Unfortunately, for a lot of folks in the Midwest the choices are few. In such cases you need to defuse the situation with as little confrontation as possible. The best thing you can do is simply comply with the "real" rules - always hit the back wall with both dice. If they are concerned about your hand passing the C&E line then back up a half step and continue.

The best person I've seen at defusing these situations is Memo. I'll let him give you details on how he addresses heat -but I can tell you he's absolutely non-confrontational. However, while he's congenially discussing the situation with the box there's absolutely no action on the table - the dice don't move. And since the "clockers" who monitor such things upstairs are interested in the number of decisions per hour - well, eventually it catches up with them.

I do not recommend the "Heavy" approach - which is a tad on the confrontational side.

Ah, the days of "Paul the Pit" at Palace Station. Now THERE was some heat. Perhaps Irish will jump in and tell you about Paul.

Roller123 · Post by **Roller123** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:30 pm

Definitely don't get confrontational. I don't know that they would but they can ban you. Try playing at a different table or on a different shift. Sometimes time wears them down and a month later it's no big deal. Put tokes out for the crew. One dollar on a hardway will usually get the dice returned to you with that number up for easy setting. Try small talk with the crew and eventually work your way to talking to the person who is giving you a hard time. I have seen crews give warnings to players but as soon as a regular player (also a DI) gets the dice and does the same thing there is no comment.

Good luck.

Roller

Post by **heavy** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:33 am

Yeah, a lot of time these things are specific to one supervisor on a crew. Sometimes it's a guy with an ax to grind. Sometimes it's just a newbie who's over zealous in trying to "protect" the game. Often just backing off a bit, coloring up a little later, then chill until shift change (or just move on to the next casino).

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:01 pm

Thanks guys.Y'all are right. I need to chill or wait on another crew.It got next to me when he started and I had not even tossed once just started setting.Two of my friends were already banned for thirty days for arguing.I will chill.

Post by **heavy** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:19 pm

Yeah, well. As soon as I hand a players card in at Paris in Vegas they're onto me. They have info on me that goes waaaaaaaay back, including that time I reported them to the Nevada Gaming Commission because the floor manager pissed me off - and I wasn't even the shooter at the time. At the end of the day you don't do yourself any favors by arguing excessively. Better to vote with your feet.

isgood · Post by **isgood** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:27 pm

Heavy speaks the truth about his Paris incident. I know. I was the other shooter when things went balistic. We did end up leaving. Never saw the suit again.

isgood

pappyvanwinkle · Post by **pappyvanwinkle** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:54 pm

I agree with the previous posts, if at all possible, do not get confrontational with the box/crew. Guys have already mentioned putting tokes out for the boys, which I will agree go a long way. Tokes are great, but I sometimes think people expect too much because you toss out a buck for the crew on the hardways or something. I've been on plenty of tables, where people will complain about the dealers/box giving them HEAT after they toss a dealer bet out there. Just because you may have tossed a bet out there, doesn't mean we still don't need to play by the rules. The way I view it, the dealer tokes MAY give me alittle more leeway than the average random roller, but I am damn well am trying to make sure both those damn dice hit the back wall. I'd say it's a sure bet we have all seen Dice Settors not hit the back wall, I know I have. It's pretty obvious if the dice only make it into the COME area or don't make it to the PASS line, this after repeated warnings. It's always humorous to me in non Vegas markets, the shooter would proclaim, they don't get this hassle in Vegas. I really want to tell them, yeah, your toss wouldn't cut it in Vegas either dude.

Also, what Heavy said, I'd say alot of the times the dealers are appreciative of the bet, but this is their job, and the box at the time may have a bug up their A$$, so they may have been told to crack down per se, the box on the next shift might be okay. It could also be you might just have one bad dealer in the bunch. I recall a session where we were getting comments from one dealer, we were the only ones making bets for the dealers, and we started making comments to the other dealers, and asking the box if we were doing anything wrong. If I recall it finally resulted in the box making a comment to the dealer and they got rotated out early, and when they came back their attitude had changed.

My point is, stay within the rules, an occasional one die not hitting the back wall will probably be okay.

memo · Post by **memo** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:31 pm

"BTW, just out of curiosity, does anyone out there know a real dice influencer who is actually officially barred from a casino just for setting dice?

-LJG"

Unfortunately yes.

I always stay unconfrontational. If you loose your cool, you are done. Just leave.
These guys come from a position of power, and in many times, enjoy wielding it. They own the stadium, and know it. When confronted, they only become more adamant in their views and will escalate the encounter. It disrupts the game, disrupts the shooter (yourself), as well as other players, whom you really want emphasizing with you.

The idea is to get them off their focus, and into a format that you can deal with. Answer in a way that they do not expect. (Tony Robbins calls it a 'Pattern Interrupt')
Many times I will play the 'Happy Fool'. It opens a door because for the most part, that is how they picture us. I will comment something like..Gee Whiz. No kidding. Really, I did not know. Can you explain that?
Without their realizing it, try to move them from stern and scolding, into a softer, explaining frame of mind. If you can get them to go into a long diatribe about how Setting does not work, you can lay the dice down on the table, and let them rattle. Now you have the control.
That person is the one stopping the game. Heavy alluded to it earlier. Never pass an opportunity to set the dice down. As long as it is perceived that you are avidly listening or asking a question..You are just nodding and being attentive.. Occasionally adding…Oh..really..Wow…I did not know. Would people really try that? Yada, Yada.

Sounds like it is kowtowing, but it is not….
Approach it like Colombo would..Nudge them off their impenetrable high ground, down to a level that you can begin to work with. All the while innocently stopping the game by responding and listening. Ask a question that will change the thought process.
Some one once said, “He who asks the questions, controls the conversation”

It has been awhile, but I used to love using the famous Playboy article.
Geez....I just read about this in playboy...Thought I would give it a try. Seems like if they wrote about it there, it must be true. (Higher authority, after all it is not the internet)
That opens the door for setting down the dice a lot, and they are totally uppreppared to respond.
Golly..But, in the Playboy article, it said....Yada, Yada. At some point you can make an assinine remark like....Gee, I haven't read Playboy much lately, never paid that much attention before, but women sure seem to use razors a lot more these days. (Read:Really happy fool)
They will pretty much leave you alone after that.

Memo

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:25 pm

Thanks Memo.I will try that the next time.

VegasDiceController · Post by **VegasDiceController** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:36 pm

Michael wrote:I must be getting better.I'm getting alot of heat lately.Anything from your hand can't go past the c & e to hit the wall higher up and bounce back farther.How do you handle this ?

One of the things I do;

1) Be kind to dealers, say hello hows your day...etc...get that repor going early. Make $1 PL bet for Boys on top of your bet/shooter control...get that on the hardways, as your making some $$$ bump them to $5...one thing i noticed is the Boxman wants his boys making tokes and they will turn their heads to things like a) missing back wall, taking long time in between rolls, setting, swing your arm to the point it reaches the stickman right hip... I do it all the time from SL1... hardly EVER get heat.... when i dont tip, they occasionally say something... I play at places here that dont care if you set, dont care how long you take to throw and dont care if you cross Stickman let alone cross C/e spots...

If they continue..move on

Golden Nugget, Rio are my two favorite places in Vegas.... People are friendly, energy is great....they love to have a good time...

just my .02

VDC

wild child · Post by **wild child** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:31 pm

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If it becomes just too much of a bother,just hop a flight to Philadelphia and limo to the Parx Casino.
That place is s-o-o-o-o-o laid back.As long as you can hang at their $15 min table you may set until you grow five o'clock shadow and tossing only to the Prop Bet Christmas Tree area gets zero notice.

Just an observation

W C

eastcoast · Post by **eastcoast** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:45 pm

wild child, I have heard the same response about Harrahs Chester. Is that true? Delaware, so far, is generally laid back too.Cannot speak for De. Park, have not played there yet, or Chester either.

wild child · Post by **wild child** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:24 am

I have only played Parx a little over two weeks ago.

M P posted great intel subsequent to my Trip Report.

Spring 2012 ,I want to tour Pa from west to east.
Land Pitsburg get a R A C ,casino hop and fly out of Philadelphia.
Perhaps 10 days.

W C

bounce the bones · Post by **bounce the bones** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:19 am

Being told to hit the wall is not heat.

Crossng the center line is a concern of stealing they feel you can take the money from in front of the stick as your hand comes back

tipping helps, chating helps even more.

Banned why would casinos do that this dice setting thing does not work lmao.

If you are playing at a place that is your only choice leave save your money take a longer trip to places that want your bussiness there is alot of them that are around and are very playable.

Now as for parris they are amazing so hot and cold.

Rember that if you are not haveing fun it is not worth your time and effort.

Post by **heavy** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:14 am

It's "BUMP" time for this one. Great question and some good answers to boot. How do YOU handle casino heat? Do you even GET casino heat? What's your best approach to getting out of such situations with a win?

$5Bill · Post by **$5Bill** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:54 pm

Oct 8th, 2017

I don’t know if you would call this heat but this month of Oct. my casino stopped sending me cash coupons. I usually got $40 worth every month. It’s really no big deal but I wanted to ask. So I sat down with one of the executives in the High Roller room and went over my players account on her computer. “It looks like you have had some big wins,” she said. “Well, I won the “Craps for Cash” at the craps table. “It might be that. They are cutting down during Oct, Nov, and Dec. So that may be the reason you’re not getting any Coupons.”

Geez, you win the “Craps for Cash” 4 times worth $10,000 in 9 months and they take away your $40 Coupons. LOL. Just so long as they let me keep playing at my home casino. The other Casinos are an hour away from me. My home casino is only 20 minutes from my apartment.

$5Bill

Sockeye · Post by **Sockeye** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:20 am

I'd like to hear Heavy's story about the Paris!

Moe Bettor · Post by **Moe Bettor** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:58 am

They would like their money..the money you won..back. Yes..they still consider it their money. You seem to win continuously from them and that makes them nervous. Everytime they see you coming in now they may feel
you are going to withdraw more funds from them. Dice Trakkr has had this happen and now he will even lose a
little to sneak a few big ones in. Make it look more like..well..chance.

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