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Setting and influencing the dice roll is just part of the picture. To beat the dice you have to know how to bet the dice. Whether you call it a "system," a "strategy," or just a way to play - this is the place to discuss it.

jaime1943
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Greetings members,

I posted a new TOPIC it went to the north pole WITH santa claus WHEN i hit the submit button

So here is a new question, What are the ODDS of me shooting a P.S.O. on the comeout.?

jaime.

Michael
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WHAT ???
Rock On
M & M

jaime1943
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Greeting Michael,

Lets say the come out number is ten, what are the odds that the next number i shoot is a seven.

jaime.

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Well, that was as clear as mud. Count me in the crowd that had no idea what you were asking.

The odds of you going PSO on that toss are 1 in 6. 36 possible dice combinations, 6 ways to throw a 7. 6/36 = 1 in 6.

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Greetings 22Inside,

3/22/2019.

Lets see if your answer 1in 6 is correct, when i shoot the dice WHAT are the numbers that i can

shoot,i can shoot the... 2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12, if i counted right THAT is 11 numbers.

jaime from puerto rico U.S.A

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Sigh.
"Get in, get up, and get gone."
- Heavy

jaime1943
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Greetings Heavy,

Heavy are you saying that 22Inside is correct by saying 1 in 6, when a person can shoot 11 numbers.?

jaime.

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I’m not Heavy but Yes 1 in 6 is right. There are six way you can roll a seven 1-6, 6-1, 2-5, 5-2, 3-4, and 4-3.

There are 36 possible combinations of 2 dice so you reduce the 6 over 36 down 1 in 6 which is what 22 inside said.

Noah

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Thank you Noah, and 22Inside, and Michael and Heavy,

I will never understand the math of this game.

The math tells me is 1 in 6.

But my mind tells me no.

If i am trying to throw a 7 and there are 10 numbers before a [ 7 ] is it not [ 1 in 11 ] ???

jaime from puerto rico U.S.A
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There are 36 possible outcomes resulting in 11 different numbers. This isn't rocket science. You ever cook, Jaime? The traditional recipe for Pound Cake calls for a pound of flour, a pound of butter, a pound of sugar, and a pound of eggs. You can mix them up in that order - or you can put the butter in lasat and the eggs first, or the sugar first and the flour second, or in whatever other combination you want as long as you have all four ingredients in the bowl when you turn the mixer on. In the end, when it comes out of the oven it's a pound cake. The six can roll 5-1, 1-5, 4-2, 2-4, or 3-3. Doesn't matter how it rolls. It's still a six. Works the same way for every number including the seven. There's a big picture behind the little one.
"Get in, get up, and get gone."
- Heavy

jaime1943
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Greetings Heavy,

I know now how to bake a pound cake. Thank you.

When you travel don't fly in a 737.

jaime.

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jaime

Yesterday at Pearl River Resort,Golden Moon Casino located in Choctaw Mississippi....

Walked up to a craps table with eight players..
.....observed as they all went Point,number,number Seven Out
one after another

The dice circled the table and even though I had been playing the Do Not Side
I elected to give it a go

Elected to use a Dice Stack Set..Kissing Faces ( aka; contact surfaces ) 6 touching 4
visible faces 4 over 6....2 over 2...3 over 1....5 over 5....

..with the 1 TOP 3 BOTTOM and/or the 3 top & 1 bottom resting on the lay out surface....

I tossed Southpaw ( Frisbee Style side arm toss ) from Stick Left 3 almost to the HOOK

The stack was tossed with either the ONE or the THREE on top alternated in no particular order...

The hand proceeded Come Out 7 come out 7 come out 7 come out 7
on Come Out toss # 5 the Come Out showed YO (11) ELEVEN

C/O roll #6 # 7 and C/O roll showed the SEVEN

C/O roll # eight showed the number eight ( 5 and 3 )

I tossed six more times #5 #2 , # 9 ,# 6 ,repeat #5 ,repeat 6, REPEAT # 8 ( PASS Line )

Then C/O 12..C/O ELEVEN YO...Pass line # 8 again to establish the second Pass Line

Next roll was SEVEN OUT to terminate the hand......

Bride of W C called my cellular device and while B o W C was telling me it was time for us to eat
the Box was " informing me " of the house policy against cellular device usage at the craps table...

Cashed out ,had lunch and played most of a full hour at the mini bac table before returning to the home place..

The greatest propensity is were someone to track each and every toss on that table for 24 hours
the result "MAY" show the average of about one in six dice flings resulted in some combination totaling SEVEN...

just me saying

Wild Child

P S : I credit Amerstar for having shared using this stack set
and toss
as it has saved the day( and helped build my Bank Roll ) many times...

I recall Ameristar stacked the ONE pip and the THREE pips....
It is the same vertical axle ( axis )
and
my results seem consistent..

There was one player in route from Nashville to "VACATION" in Biloxi next week
not sure if he is an A P C member
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Greetings Wild Child,

Thank you for the Trip Report.

As you know the the house has the advantage because they have the seven on their side
and the shooter has the pass-line number.

One sunday at 1pm i went to my local casino and told the floor man i was going to play
the do not pass line for 25 dollars for 12 hours AND he said IS O.K WITH ME.

After the 12 hours i was up 600 dollars, so i went home with my winnings/600 dollars.

Next day i went back AND i was met at the frontdoor and was told i could not play a quarter on the DON'T
PASS line., my [ min and max was the same ] 5 dollars.

I still took them for 500 dollars in 2 hours.

They know me at my local casino as the only player that only plays the field. And beats them.

I only play the field BECAUSE I TAUGHT MY SELF how to shoot the field numbers...2/3/4/9/10/11/12.

Any person that calls himself a DI can teach himself how to shoot field numbers AND beat the casino.

I only play the field when i am the shooter, on random shooters i bet one hardway number for 1 dollar.

You must have a betting system to beat the Field.

That's my 99 cents. jaime.

P.S... I retire from playing craps 5 years ago BECAUSE of health reasons.

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jaime1943 wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:32 pm
Greetings Wild Child,

Thank you for the Trip Report.

As you know the the house has the advantage because they have the seven on their side
and the shooter has the pass-line number.

One sunday at 1pm i went to my local casino and told the floor man i was going to play
the do not pass line for 25 dollars for 12 hours AND he said IS O.K WITH ME.

After the 12 hours i was up 600 dollars, so i went home with my winnings/600 dollars.

Next day i went back AND i was met at the front door and was told i could not play a quarter on the DON'T
PASS line., my [ min and max was the same ] 5 dollars.

I still took them for 500 dollars in 2 hours.

They know me at my local casino as the only player that only plays the field. And beats them.

I only play the field BECAUSE I TAUGHT MY SELF how to shoot the field numbers...2/3/4/9/10/11/12.

Any person that calls himself a DI can teach himself how to shoot field numbers AND beat the casino.

I only play the field when i am the shooter, on random shooters i bet one hard way number for 1 dollar.

You must have a betting system to beat the Field.

That's my 99 cents. jaime.

P.S... I retire from playing craps 5 years ago BECAUSE of health reasons.
Most joints go with : "The PLAYER who wins

( insert \$ USD AMOUNT )

today will lose TWICE THAT \$ USD tomorrow.

Your neighborhood casino seems to have a low threshold of loss tolerance......

As I recall Jim Ferr aka: Jim The Systems Man

and

StarChip give ink to a Field play in craps
that a number of players claim
occasionally yields a number of positive returns ..
.Both list for zero charge about ALL the Systems sold for Big Bucks over the decades...

( Both are mentioned in past posts by another A P C member..the "Search Section " may turn up the references )

One fellow at a live session in a Biloxi Casino proclaimed that he won The Field consistently
by "clocking " the craps action......
Said that if a shooter tossed a NOT A Field number....followed by a Field # HE WOULD WAGER LARGE
and take down the win along with his original S wagered......

( For the new at this game folks : the NOT A Field Numbers are Five ,Six ,SEVEN and Eight )

all the other 7 possible craps numbers

are the numbers 2 , 3 ,4, 9, 10 , "Yo - ' LEVEN * and Twelve )

The guy proceeded to demonstrate that he could guess some 18 times back to back incorrectly....
Then he caused an " Energy Draining Event " when his begging for a buffet buffet was DECLINED..........

So far your reported results seem to have been more pleasant.....

Keep up the good work

just me saying

w c

jaime1943
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Greetings w c,

Now players that live in vegas HAVE 200 plus casinos to play in, you can make
a living in vegas if you bet this way, play the don't pass line all the time.

But players do not want to make a living , they want to have fun with their friends and get drunk and lose
money.

Then they can say, i did it my way. who wrote this song.?

jaime.

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Good morning Jamie,

You stated,
...They know me at my local casino as the only player that only plays the field. And beats them.

I only play the field BECAUSE I TAUGHT MY SELF how to shoot the field numbers...2/3/4/9/10/11/12.

Any person that calls himself a DI can teach himself how to shoot field numbers AND beat the casino.

I only play the field when i am the shooter, on random shooters i bet one hard way number for 1 dollar.

You must have a betting system to beat the Field"...

Would you care to explain your field play in more detail?

Thanks.

jaime1943
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Greetings scout,
I have been telling players on this board and MP'S BOARD how to play this system for years And every
time i get attacked by the players that don't agree with me on [headgeing] your play on the come out.

This is the 2019 version.

1] this system is based on the shooter knowing how to throw field numbers...2/3.4.9/10/11/12.

2] On the come out you will play 10 dollars on[ any seven AND 5 dollars ] on the 11/Yo...and 50 dollars on don't pass line.

After the come out roll you will [ PLACE THE 5/6/8/ for 25 dollars each ] played \$ 75 dollars.

Bet 25 dollars on the FIELD ].2/3/4/9/10/11/12/..............................played \$ 25 dollars

Now you are ready to shoot the dice[[[ you shoot the [9 ]. you win \$50 dollars on the Field.

Now you have 50 dollars on the field, NOW [ YOU WILL LET THE \$50 DOLLARS RIDE AS YOUR NEXT BET. ].

You shoot again [ AND YOU WIN AGAIN ] now you have \$100 dollars on the field, now you take those \$100 dollars and [ RACK THEM ].

Now you take down your bets on the 5/6/8/ And bet \$ 50 dollars on the comeout number, be it the 4/5/6/8/9/10/ and you pass THE dice to the next shooter, and wait for next game.

On the next shooter you will play \$1 dollar on the Hardway 4 or what ever Hardway you want to play.

Play this way till you reach your winning goal AND leave.

When you lose your FIELD BET you will win your place bet on the 5 or 6 or 8 showing a profit of ???.

When you shoot POINT SEVEN OUT you will lose \$50 dollars, but not you jaime because you taught yourself
how to shoot FIELD NUMBERS.

Please practice this system at home before you try it at your casino live.

O.K scout, i know you have questions... lets have them.

jaime from puert rico U.S.A.

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Hi Jamie,
Thanks for sharing your play. Perhaps you will clarify few thoughts I have regarding your play.

1] this system is based on the shooter knowing how to throw field numbers...2/3.4.9/10/11/12.
I'm guessing you use some form of the X6, S6, or P6 set to achieve tossing field numbers?

2] On the come out you will play 10 dollars on[ any seven AND 5 dollars ] on the 11/Yo...and 50 dollars on don't pass
How often does this hedge pay off? Is it a net loss for your play?

After the come out roll you will [ PLACE THE 5/6/8/ for 25 dollars each ] played \$ 75 dollars.
Typically I see 25/30/30 (5/6/8) + 25 field. Is there a reason why you choose to play a 25 6 and 8?

Last question...
Now you take down your bets on the 5/6/8/ And bet \$ 50 dollars on the comeout number, be it the 4/5/6/8/9/10/ and you pass THE dice to the next shooter, and wait for next game.

If you are proficient in tossing field numbers, and perhaps others box numbers and the seven too, why would you ever pass the dice?

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Greetings Scout,

3/18/2019...1:pm.

1] The set that i use to achieve tossing field numbers [ is 6x6 - looking up AND 5x5 - looking at me. ]

That set can also be used to bet only on the [ 8/9/ and the 10.

2] how often does this hedge pay off?

Every time i throw a 7 or 11 on the come out, hate to start a game losing \$ 50 dollars.

3] If you want to place 25/30/30 instead of 25/25/25/ is o.k with me.

4] If you are proficient in tossing field numbers, and perhaps other box numbers, why would you ever pass the dice?

Because i want a \$ 60 dollar profit every time i shoot, i don't want to keep on shooting to see me throw a seven and wipe out my \$ 60 dollar win that i have at that point.

If you have any more questions, lets have them.

jaime from puerto rico U.S.A

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