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dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by UPNremix » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:16 pm

Any professional opinions or mathematical input would be greatly appreciated on this question. Is it worth betting on only the dont pass line where on the first roll you are at a disadvantage because you will lose roughly around 23% of the time with a (7) or (11) but on the other hand if you establish a point you will either be a 2-1/3-2/6-5 favorite. So is it worth it to be somewhat of a underdog on the come out roll to become a pretty good sized favorite if any point is established? keep in mind that you can also win 8% of the time on the come out if a (2) or (3) is rolled. will the disadvantage of the 7 or 11 on the come out roll overtake the advantage of the 7 vs any point established after come out roll in the long run? sorry if this is in the wrong area of the forum, this is my first post.

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by heavy » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:00 am

It's absolutely worth it for a simple reason. Mathematically the Don't Pass carries a marginally (albeit by a very small margin) lower vig than the Pass Line bet. The Pass Line is around 1.41% while the Don't Pass is closer to 1.40%. As you pointed out, you will have some natural winners on the 2 and 3. You'll also have losers to the 7 and 11. But once the Don't bet is established it will win for you roughly two out of three times. Over the long run the DP is a marginally better bet.

With that said, I am of the opinion that most people do not have the aptitude to play the Don'ts. It's basically a grind way to play that requires great patience, money management, and discipline. You just arrived on the scene, so you're not familiar with our old buddy Dylanfreak from the Tunica market. DF has been playing the Don'ts and winning - basically with a strategy of his own contrivance that grew out of several different strategies he played through the years. The key to this is that he has been playing and winning for several years. Perhaps he'll check in and offer up a recap of how he plays. DF has a Don't player's disposition.

I play the Don'ts a lot on other players. When a table is cold and no one is making passes I'll load the bases up, looking to win every bet with just one little seven. Takes a pair to play that way but it's almost as exciting as playing the right side and getting all of your bets pressed up.

No doubt others will chime in with their opinions. If we could ever get Isgood to get off vacation and back on the board he could give us a good run-down of the Don'ts. Golfer, you out there? Let's hear an opinion.
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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by wild child » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:12 am

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There are times when playing the DARK SIDE is the only way to GET THE MONEY.

People who make ill informed statements like: " I will not bet more to win less" are in essence saying
" I prefer to ALWAYS optimistically make
NEGATIVE EXPECTATION WAGERS in hope of overcoming THE ODDS"
"That is what entertains me"


Choosing to wager THE DON'T SIDE may not increase your circle of good time charlie temporary friends
If being accepted by absolutely total strangers means very much to you. Do something else.

Lets consider that if you have the willies over loosing a chip to a COME OUT 7/ 11 and you want to bet the DON'T SIDE , you may choose to LAY BET AGAINST any BOX NUMBER after said number has rolled.

Some folks get "upset" over having to pay a Vigorous of 5% for every $20 potentially won.

So.....Big deal........The same folks pony up a 5% COMMISSION to BUY BET the 4 & 10 and that is just part of what they give up to play various wagers............

There are successful DARK SIDE PLAYERS who LAY BET SPECIFIC BOX NUMBERS after having charted long enough to have confidence that a specific number is UNDER PERFORMING ............Recently.I noted the BOX NUMBER EIGHT ( 8 ) was not showing in tosses by one specific Pseudo D I HERO TYPE dice fling-er.
I Lay Bet progressively larger $$$ LAY BET WAGERS against the EIGHT(8) on this fellows dice flinging turns. Started with LAY BETTING $60 and each third trial pressed the LAY BET by $30.

Bride of W C dragged me away after the second time I collected the then progressed wager of $360 as we were going to a performance and he was deep into his third re-buy in...........

Other times, I have just hung out until a shooter has near exceeded his ration of perhaps 6-9 rolls and LAY BET both the SIX and 8 with fairly consistent results..........

Is it possible to LOSE a DON'T SIDE LAY WAGER to the number actually rolling prior to the SEVEN showing ?????? You may ask: " H - E - DOUBLE - TOOTH - PICKS , YES" : I SAY

Session for session.the HOWEVER FACTOR REMAINS :

Guess correctly and time your entry gingerly,you may see more WINNERS THAN TAKE A WAYS.
Is this a way that will lead you to popularity and great acclaim ???? Jury is out on that subject.

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by Pacecar » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:30 am

When I play the don'ts, I wait until the roller establishes the point, then I bet the DC. Then I'm never betting against the shooter and most of the other players at the table. I'm playing my own game.

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by UPNremix » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:49 am

pacecar thats exactly what i do as well, in fact i dont ever play the dont pass line i always play the DC. And i 100% agree with heavy when he says " It's basically a grind way to play that requires great patience, money management, and discipline". I believe i have all of those qualities when it comes to craps and gambling in general as i come from a poker background, so im really not in it for the thrill of gambling but just trying to find great profitable spots. On my last trip to vegas for the wsop i ran across these 3 older gentlemen who had what seemed to be like the most boring and simple yet most effective system/strategy ive ever seen (im new to craps so its not like ive seen a lot though). They would basically wait until a point is established and bet 1 unit on the DC, if they lost to either the (7)-(11) or by the shooter going point and point back then they would slightly increase their next DC bet by 20%. If they lose 2 in a row on any shooter they would quit that shooter and if they beat or won 1 unit on any shooter they would be done with that particular shooter as well. they also would quit the game all together if they ever lost 4 units in a row. out of the 7 sessions i seen them play i never seen them lose, So this is when i began to think if adopting such a boring yet effective way of playing is really profitable or did i just catch them on a lucky streak. thats why my biggest question would be is it a profitable bet to just play the DP/DC with no odds if point is established for the simple fact that you are at a disadvantage on the come out roll but if you make it past that then you are always a favorite with the 7 against any point established. I realize theres only 4 real outcomes on the come out roll:
(12)-roughly around 2.7%
(1)(2)-roughly 8.3%
(7)(11)-roughly 22.2%
point established (4)(5)(6)(8)(9)(10)-roughly 66.6%

So with these outcomes on the come out roll, is it worth losing around 22.2% of the time with (7) or (11) just to become either a 2-1 favorite with 7 vs (4)(10), 3-2 fav with 7 vs (5)(9), and 6-5 fav with 7 vs (6)(8) after point is established only around 66.6% of the time. And also you'll win around 8% of the time with a (2) or (3).

I understand that betting to donts is a very slightly better then betting the pass line but i wanna know if betting the donts is gonna be profitable vs the house in the longrun, which is most likely a dumb question since nothing is probably profitable vs the house in the longrun. I guess to make it simple, i want to know how they come to the conclusion mathematically that the house has a 1.40% egde over the dont pass line. It doesnt seem like such a stretch or a pipe dream to make great profits by just betting the donts by taking small 5 unit wins each session with good self control, bankroll managment, and patience.
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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by wild child » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:23 am

Odds of the 7 combination = 17 %

Thirty - Six combinations divided into SIX combinations equals 000.16666666 rounded up to 17 %

The opportunity decays on subsequent rolls of the dice.........OH CRAP :shock:

Betting the Do or RIGHT SIDE pays a premium in that a $12 SIX will return $14 .
A wager of $10 on the BOX NUMBER FIVE will return $14

$10 wagered on the BOX # 4 returns $18 in winnings.........

With all the above wagers,the ODDS are against the player actually winning the wager.

In the short run the casino pays the winning wager and collects the wagers lost to THE SEVEN .
So when the house pays $7 to $6 or $7 to $5 or $9 to $5,the wager is being paid at less than true odds.

People optimistically wager that their choice will beat the ODDS.

To say you are gambling against the shooter on the PASS LINE and not so when a wager is made against a subsequent number may be a distortion of actuality.

Let's take the emotional attachment out of the equation and place risk in front of projected events.
You are not making wagers in favor of or against THE SHOOTER or ANY OTHER PLAYER.
You are choosing to PLAY THE ODDS of an event occurrence or non occurrence.

The Casino risks a large amount of $$$$$ to win a relatively small amount of $ and seems to do so at great profit.Keep a perspective about it . Take your winnings and reduce the amount left to chance of loss.
To date THE OFFICIAL high water mark is rolls in one hand is something like 152 prior to a SEVEN OUT BEING TOSSED.. That is not to say that during the sequence of numbers rolled ,there were ZERO SEVENS ROLLED....as the appearance of a SEVEN on the COME OUT terminates not the hand........
The record is for the spread between the tosses terminating on the final seven being tossed while the bets are active or in casino terms "BETS ARE ON"

Is it more celebrated that a pay out is made upon a number being rolled rather than the number SEVEN? YUP !
At the appearance of any dice combination being rolled other than the seven it may be said the such roll beat the ODDS of the SEVEN showing on THAT ROLL OF THE DICE...........

Just me saying

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by Mad Professor » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:39 am

UPNremix wrote: i wanna know if betting the donts is gonna be profitable vs the house in the longrun, which is most likely a dumb question since nothing is probably profitable vs the house in the longrun.


Hi UPNremix,

My answer is far less appealing than everyone else's, so feel free to ignore it.

Unless you are derandomizing the outcomes through dice-influencing; then there is no way to turn a negative-expectation game like craps into a positive-expectation game in the long-run.

Now, do I expect you to heed my advice?

NO!

However, down the road aways, let's say six or eight months or so; check to see how much random-betting has either made you or cost you. I'm not talking about any profits you pick up along the way from your own (or others) attempts at dice-influencing. Instead, if you isolate your randomly-wagered bets, and net-out what you've won and loss; I think you'll find yourself on the losing (and rather stinky) end of the negative-expectation stick.

Others don't agree, and I'm cool with that; but if you ever get around to wondering WHY it seems like you are continually having to 'top up' your gaming-bankroll; you won't have to look very far. ;)



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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by joe57777 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:39 am

My head is spinning with ALL of these suggestions. I do not know which way to swing here (lol). There are good points to many of the suggestions given in this forum. Therefore, I need to post my questions with the hope that it will help me decide which don't strategy I am going to try at my next visit to the crap tables. Please give the reason you feel which strategy is better and why. Here goes: 1). You want to get a $36 bet past the come out roll safely. So you make a lay bet on 2 numbers on the come-out like the common 4 and the 10 for $52 each ($104 total) which will cover you for $50 net because of the $2 vig. The second $52 bet you take down after the come-out so you don't lose the other $2 vig. You also bet a $3 Yo. Now if the 7 hits you win $50 minus the $4 vigs for a profit of $46 minus the $3 Yo bet makes it $43 and of course you lose $36 more on your $36 DP bet giving you a final profit of $7 after you replace the $36 DP bet and the $3 Yo bet for the next roll. But on that first roll if the 4 or 10 hits you lose $52 and your $3 Yo for a total of $55 but you do get your $36 DP bet through but losing $52 in the process you now have to make up somehow. If Yo 11 hits on first roll then you win $45 and you lose your $36 DP bet but replace it and the $3 Yo for the second roll after you made a $9 profit. Obviously if any other number besides 4 or 10 hits then you lose only $3 Yo bet and you pick up your 4 and 10 lay bets. Mission accomplished. I have seen lots of 4's and 10's come out. My thought was to switch up laying random numbers every come-out roll in order to not just keep laying ALL OF THE TIME on the 4 and 10 because maybe the 4 and or 10 are HOT in those 3-5 hours I am playing. So just mix it up a little and try to keep the laws of probability in check so to speak 2). You don't play the DP at all. Instead you ONLY play the come-out roll and lay against all place numbers except the 6 and 8. Maybe you lay $42 on the 4 and 10 and $31 on the 5 and 9. And maybe you hop 7 for $1 each for a $3 total. Every time 7 wins on the first come-out roll you then win $80 minus the $6 vig fees for a total of $72 profit. Also you win $13 on the hop 7's for a total profit of $85. If 7 does not win on the come-out you lose only the $3 for the hop 7 bet because the lay bets can be picked up. Worse case scenario is if a 4 or 10 hits you lose $42 plus $3 for the hop 7 bet totals a $45 loss or if the 5 or 9 hits you lose $31 and $3 for your hop 7 bet for a loss of $34 on that come-out roll. These losses can be made up when you win come-out rolls. I need to add that I do NOT parlay the second come-out roll even I win the first roll come-out. Just 1 roll per round (no exceptions) just either win, lose, or draw. 3). I play ONLY the come-out roll and bet ONLY $3 hop 7. This way I win $13 or I lose $3 on every new come-out roll (maybe bet more or through in parlays or partial parlays I have not decided yet). After about 3 to 5 hours of this I hop that there are more 7's on the come-out roll than NOT and therefore I will show a nice profit at the end of the night. I am looking for a LOW risk SMALL bankroll $100 to $300 sessions.

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by Mad Professor » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:07 am

Okay, let me put on my "MP is an asshole" hat (the one that RickDickulous knitted for me while he was in therapy). :lol:

Let me ask you guys what EFFECT any of the above-noted R-R betting would have on your shooting when the dice came around for YOUR turn?

Really, I'm not trying to be an asshole here; but can each of you honestly say that if you were making a series of any of the multi-stage R-R betting-moves that Joe57777 just described; that your bet-decision mind wouldn't be 'over-stimulated' by that degree of R-R action, and that it in turn wouldn't have any effect on your own shooting or betting when the dice returned to your hands?

In other words, does the after-effect of your RANDOM-betting from this lap or from previous laps around the table, ever have a negative effect on how you bet, or on your ability to properly focus on YOUR own D-I shooting?

For example, does a string of R-R losses make you UNDER-BET your own skills because of what you've just lost on the Randies?

Does an RR-bet buy-in drawdown make you bet over-cautiously when it's your turn to shoot...or does it have the opposite effect, and you find yourself OVER-BETTING in a desperate attempt to recoup what you've lost on the R-R's?


Maybe I'm wrong on this, and I don't mind hearing if I am...but I strongly suspect that semi-complicated randomly-bet strategies like that can play upon your mind and your shooting-focus and toss-effectiveness when the dice come around to you.

That is, it either feeds into the 'action-junkie' part of us, or at least feeds into the "Hedge-my-hedges-with-a-further-hedge" mentality...and that can't be good.

Equally, neither can it be good if we let our neg-ex bet-decisions overly-cloud our pos-ex bet-decisions.

Joe, please understand that I'm not picking on you. That's not the case. I know you asked the question with all sincerity, so I don't want it to look like I'm undermining your good intentions. Instead, I'm just wondering if we sometimes forget (or entirely ignore) what effect our R-R betting can have on our own mental-attitude and toss-execution by the time the dice come back around to us after carrying out what looks (to me at least) to be a quite rigorous and possibly mentally-challenging/frustration-generating RR betting-regimen?


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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by Golfer » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:05 pm

You can take the asshole hat off now.

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by Golfer » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:50 am

SnakeEyes, darksiders are just trying to do the same as you..........get the casinos money. Yes, 98% of the action at craps tables is rightside. That is one of the reasons there are big fancy casinos. Craps gives players the opportunity to play both sides. As necessary, you can take advantage of that. Don't you wish you could fade hands in BJ?

There are not always other tables. Assholes can be found all over the place.

Playing the darkside takes you from a single dimension to a 2nd dimension. You do not always need to take that gun out of the holster, but when needed, it is nice to know it is there.


Good Luck

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by SHOOTITALL » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:16 am

I believe that most die hard right side players have an aversion to getting less money back than the original bet on the odds. Somehow, that just goes against their grain. Makes no difference that it is basically the same bet. They just want to win more. They absolutely love it getting 2-1 on odds for a four or ten but cannot stand getting 1-2 for the dark side of the bet. More of that between the ears stuff. sia
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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by Mad Professor » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:50 am

Ya know the old saw about, "Lotteries are for people who don't understand math"; well pretty much the same thing can be said for players who don't get the less-than-even-money payouts for Darkside wagers.

In simple terms, the Rightside/Darkside proposition is the same when it comes to betting for or against the Odds of a particular box-number.

In the case of Odds on the 4 or 10, the Rightsiders are hoping to get paid 2-to-1, but they only win that wager, an average of, 1-out-of-3 times they bet it.

For the Darksider, they only get paid 1-to-2, but they'll win that wager, on average, 2-out-of-3 times.

Same, same! :o

Whenever you hear a player say, "I'd never bet more to win less"; you are hearing from someone who has absolutely no clue how gaming-math works....even if they've been playing everyday for the last 20 years.

If lotteries are a voluntary "stupidity-tax" on the populace; then a lack of understanding of basic gaming-math is a "stupidity-tax" on the players.


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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by wild child » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:12 pm

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How about we step through the MAGIC MIRROR :

On the SEVEN OUT ALL RIGHT SIDE BETS ARE LOSERS ,while ALL DARK SIDE BETA ARE WINNERS..

In the event of a RIGHT SIDE NUMBER BEING TOSSED , ONLY THAT ONE SINGLE # WINS.

Should a BOX # be tossed while a Don't Wager is in place, only that wager is lost.

May we conclude that RIGHT SIDE WAGERS ARE ALL LOST TO THE SEVEN OUT SHOWING.

FURTHER ALL DARK SIDE BETS ARE WON ON THE SEVEN OUT SHOWING.

The RIGHT SIDE BETS are won only one at a time.

DARK SIDE BETS ARE ONLY LOST ONE AT A TIME.

Which type bet gives the player time to change his mind when events are turning against wagers made :?:

ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW:

For those unwilling to win $ equal to or slightly less than the $ at risk.

THE CASINO HAS A LARGE OUTLAY in $ Capital $ in relation to that returned on ANY WAGER or even the COLLECTIVE VALUE OF ALL THE Multiple WAGERS it collects from ALL LOSERS on any one game.

Yet even at holding onto relatively micro small % of CASH FLOW , THE CASINO ACCUMULATES SERIOUS $$$$$$$$$ EACH MONTH.

Fact is this is similar to the math applied most business

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by acpa » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:28 pm

Are you thinking don't come bet or lay bet when you talk about changing?

A lay bet you can take down but I would have trouble if you were talking about taking down a don't come bet that has gone to a number.

Any comments?

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by Mad Professor » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:23 pm

Hi WildChild,

You have discovered...

The "Darkside Paradox"

Simply put:

~When a Rightside-shooter's hand ends, all of his chips that were left exposed on the table are taken by the house.

However,

~When a Darkside-shooter's hand ends, all of his chips that were left exposed on the table are returned to the shooter along with his payout.

~When we calculate the Rightshooter's return-on-investment, we first have to subtract any wagers that remained on the table (and were taken by the house) when the hand ended; thereby reducing his overall net-profit.

~When we calculate the Darkshooter's return-on-investment, we first have to add in any wagers that remained on the table (and were returned by the house) when the hand ended; thereby undiminishing his overall net-profit.

That's the "Darkside Paradox".


How many times have we heard a Rightshooter lament, "Whew, that was a great hand, I musta rolled 20 or 30 times and I made some decent money, but WOW, look how much I left out on the table!"

You're never going to hear that from a Darkshooter because all of his D-side wagers are returned at the end of a hand, and so the most elemental part of any player's betting-regimen (whatever amount of 7-exposure money that is on the table when the hand ends)...is taken from the Rightsider...but returned to the Darksider.

That is what I call the Darkside Paradox, and that is why the Darkshooter will double and then keep re-doubling his bankroll much faster than a similarly skilled and similar betting-level Rightsider.



Darkside Paradox...explained

(Please note that I first wrote the above article back in 1999, and the following article back in 2005)

I was surprised to receive a couple of IM's and e-mails asking to give a fuller explanation of the bankroll-growing capabilities that often come from Darkside-shooting but DOESN'T come from equivalent-skill same-bet-value Rightside-shooting, which I call the Darkside Paradox.

Frankly, I honestly thought it was something everybody already knew.

When I first coined the phrase "Darkside Paradox" back in 1999, I thought I was just giving a name to something that is apparent the first time you see a Darksider getting paid. I just wanted to name it something so that it was more easily referred to in m-board discussions.

Okay so let's take the full Darkside Paradox explanation right from the top.


~Let's use the example of a Rightsider Place-betting the 6 and 8 for $18 each. He has a total of $36 in action.

~Let's also have our Darksider betting $5 on the Don't Pass and then backing it in a 3x/4x/5x-Odds casino with 6x-Odds (using 6x in D-side Odds is the direct and correct inverse amount of 3x/4x/5x R-side Odds); to give himself $30 in DP-Odds. He has a total of $35 in action.

~Let's say that our Rightsider manages to collect two winning-hits of $21 each on his 6 and 8 Place-bets (a random-roller is only expected to collect a neg-ex average of 1.67 of them per hand, while a SRR-7 shooter averages 1.94, and an SRR-8 shooter can reasonably expect about 2.22 of them per hand).

~So when the 7-Out comes; our Rightsider has collected gross-revenue of $42; however, to figure out his net-profit, we still have to SUBTRACT the $36 he had on the layout when the 7-Out appeared, and which got swept away on that loss.

~After replenishing the $36 that he originally invested in this wager, that leaves our Rightsider with a net-profit of $6.

Let's see what happens to our Darksider when the 7-out shows up.

~We know that the flat $5 portion of his Don't Pass wager is paid at 1:1 even-money, so he'll get $5 for that, and his DP-Odds will be paid an average of 2:3 or $20 (that's an average of what he gets from the 1:2, 2:3, and 5:6 payouts on his inversed DP-Odds).

~In that case, his gross-revenue from that DP w/Odds bet pays a total average of $25; but wait, they also RETURN his original $5 + $30 wager-investment in full.

That means that his entire bet-winning gross-revenue of $25 is NET-profit, and so that entire bet-revenue amount can be used to grow his bankroll. None of his D-side payout has to go to replenish his original investment because the casino RETURNS that entire investment to him, in full.

That doesn't happen with Rightside shooting. Instead, a Rightsider has to use most of his payout to first REPLENISH his initial investment BEFORE he can start counting his net-profit.

So we have the Rightsider who invested $36 and is able to show a $6 profit that can go towards bankroll-growth, and we have a Darksider who invested $35 and is able to show a $25 profit that can go towards bankroll growth.

The point?

The net-profit that can come from Darkside-shooting versus the net-profit that can come from equivalent-skill Rightside-shooting (where the same approximate amount of 7-exposure money is used); will average out to be several times higher for the Darkshooter than for the Rightshooter.

And that my friends, is what I call the Darkside Paradox.


As always,

Good Luck and Good Skill at the Tables…and in Life.

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by amish dude » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:31 pm

Now I understand more clearly why I want to be a Darkside Shooter.
Thanks MP
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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by wild child » Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:36 pm

Noah

The Don't Pass and Don't Come are considered NOT CONTRACT BETS.......

A player has the option to take down any portion of those DARK SIDE BETS. as well as LAY BETS,which the equivalent of the PLACE BET made by a RIGHT SIDE PLAYER........

Players at times elect to TAKE DOWN DARK SIDE WAGERS ..
Most often DON'T BETS are removed from perceived jeopardy when there have been multiple DARK SIDE WAGERS lost to a shooter on a run of repeaters. Hey--lose two ,save three or whatever......

A DARK SIDE enthusiast may elect to TRANSITION to the DO SIDE or go into "STAND-BY MODE" holding off only to re-enter the game at a some thought BETTER WAGER ENTRANCE JUNCTURE considered to be a more prime time to bet THE DON'T .... There are folks who only bet the DON'T after a sustained LONG RUN ON HAND in the belief that the following hands will terminate early and favor the DARK SIDE PLAYER............

It is not for me to judge as each player may RISK HIS $$$$ any way seen fit.

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by acpa » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:17 pm

I know the don't are not contract bets, however after those bets have gone to number the players avantage ranges from 6 to 5 up to 2 to 1.

No matter what had happened if a Randies was shooting I would pay you what you had bet and wanted to take down. Depending on the flat amount, I could assure myself of not losing ever and with some flat amounts could insure that I would be a winner on each of the bets.

For instance with a $25 flat I could place the 6/8 for $24, the 5/9 and 4/10 for $20.

6/8 I'll win$1 or $3, 5/9 win $5 or $10, and 4/10 win $5 or $16 with the don't and place bet.

Noah

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Re: dont pass-worth it or not?

Post by wild child » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:36 am

Noah

Good movement

Another choice exercised for the WIN,WIN ,WIN---PAY,PAY,PAY contingent.....

How about we play with the concept of having the bank roll and stones to BET AT A HIGHER LEVEL :?:

Doing the hedge/spread works minimally at the $25 wager.
Please don't get all warped...Just study how much more rewarding it would be at a $250 wager.

By adding merely one ZERO to the RIGHT HAND SIDE of THE WRONG SIDE BET ,the rewards are:

QUOTE & EXTRAPOLATED for demonstration purpose:
"For instance with a $250 flat I could place the 6/8 for $240, the 5/9 and 4/10 for $200."

I know we could get queses over the 7/11 affecting the $250 part,however the KEY WORD is should the player be well bank rolled to be non affected by a relatively 16.66666% event chance or 83% chance of establishing the wager.
After the $250 wager is set and HEDGE BET PLACED , you have "BOOKED THE HOUSE" and in the CAT BIRD SEAT to collect the SPREAD...........

Dependent on TABLE MAXIMUM BET LEVEL,one could take this to GREAT HEIGHTS.......
The KEY being actually being well enough BANK ROLLED...............

Seems like a TERRIFIC DAY AT THE OFFICE or whatever one chooses to call a day at the casino.

W C

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