The Full Moon

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The Full Moon

Post by Dylanfreake » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:37 am

The Full Moon is here . This weekend of casino play should be filled with the cheering of winning Rightside players and the moaning and groaning of losing Darkside players.

Let me know how you fare if you play this weekend. I want to hear from Rightside and Darkside players, and you AC/DC players also. I guess I should have called AC/DC players morphydites.

I`ll let you know, also.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by wudged » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:32 am

Df, have you seen a guy around Tunica named Dave/David, probably late 50s, who bets heavily on the don'ts? I saw him earlier this week playing a 3 point DP/DC molly.. stacks his chips all crazy in the rail. I first saw him at Fitz with around 2k in the rail, about 1k in black, 700 in green, 250 in red and 50 in white. He has stacks all over the place of 108 and 120 ready to plop down for odds on his $5 flats. He was shooting from the stick-right dealer hook and continually knocking himself off, but was winning a decent amount on everybody else. I left and went to Harrah's and he just happened to show up there as well, bought in for 2k and started it all over. Asked him how Fitz went and he said he made a little bit.

I had been shooting right side for a change but with this guy on the table I switched to dark and had 2 fairly short rolls with no points at Fitz and then one more at Harrah's. He seemed very casual any time he got picked off and even when a seven (out or front line winner) showed.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by heavy » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:34 am

There was a time when I sat down at the beginning of the year with the Farmer's Almanac and planned out my casino trips for the year based on the phase of the moon. Right side trips in the full moon phase - Wrong side trips by the dark of the moon. I figured if the moon could control the tides it might influence the dice as well. Yeah, I grew up in the country in a relatively poor family. My dad planted his garden based on the lunar phase. Without going into the bio-dynamics of lunar phase planting, I'll just tell you that the soil tends to retain more water during the full moon. Root growth is stimulated during the full moon phase. Leafy growth during the waxing of the moon (dark phase). That gets you to the concept of "planting" at certain times of the month and "harvesting" at others. Fishermen have long applied this same concept to their sport. And some of us old country boys plan out gambling trips around the lunar phase as well. As I recall, Baitman fell into this category. No doubt there are a few others out there.

For those of you interested in the whole lunar phase thing for gardening - here's a link: http://www.no-dig-vegetablegarden.com/g ... -moon.html
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by rhythm roller » Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:00 pm

Hi!

Growing up on a farm in Iowa, I remember my parents also planting and harvesting the garden according to the Farmer's Almanac. I also remember that Almanac long range forecasts for a wet, cold, drought etc. season were usually very accurate.

I have also heard that some people do believe in using the phases of the moon when playing Craps. My questions are:

(1) What do they consider the logic behind this? Does the greater pull on the earth cause the dice to settle down sooner or?

(2) Do people use the moon phase thing for any other casino games besides Craps?

(3) Heavy, how did your Craps sessions by moon phase thing work out for you when you were doing it? Any patterns?

Lastly, guess when I am in Las Vegas for the classes in November I better figure out some don't betting strategy to try as the classes commence right after the New Moon.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by robk » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:10 pm

All I know is any time a full moon is out, I see strange behavior in public. Who knows what this does at the casino....

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by heavy » Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:13 pm

All I know is any time a full moon is out, I see strange behavior in public. Who knows what this does at the casino....
Yeah, I think anyone in any type of public service (e.g. cops) will tell you that some crazy shit happens when the moon is full. Years ago a Vegas pit critter I knew told me that he had tracked table hold through the years and that his experience was that the hold always dropped during the full moon. In other words, the customers won more money when the moon was full. Whether this had anything to do with the dice or not remains to be seen. I haven't really noticed any appreciable difference.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by Dave73 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:17 pm

LOL

The "full" moon does not change the gravitational pull on anything more or less than a half moon, crescent moon, or new moon...A "full" moon is a result of the moon being on the opposite side of the Earth than the Sun. The moon goes across the sky every day, if you want the additional gravity just wait till its above you, WHATEVER time of day that may be.

Ive heard some kooky theories from farmers about the full moon and planting...everything from the so called increased gravity to increased light reflection. On that note, that is said to be the origin of the term "lunatic" ( luna- relating to lunar, or the moon and -tic meaning relating to[the moon])

Back before this fancy thing called electricity less than noble individuals would do their shenanigans at a higher rate during a full moon because they could see at night. Go out to the 'country' during a full moon where there is less light pollution and you will see just how good your vision can be at midnight with no flashlight.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by heavy » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:47 pm

The "full" moon does not change the gravitational pull on anything more or less than a half moon, crescent moon, or new moon...A "full" moon is a result of the moon being on the opposite side of the Earth than the Sun.
Actually, Dave, I think you hit on an important scientific fact here: Correlation does not imply Causation.

Say what?

Okay, let's go with the old joke. Doctor, every time I drink iced tea I get a sharp pain in my eye. Should I stop drinking iced tea? No. Just take the spoon out of the glass.

A lot of folks assume that the full moon changes the gravitational pull on earth, causing higher tides, etc. In fact, the higher tides are caused by the moon being on the opposite side of the earth than the sun. At least that's the way I read it. For more info (in case anyone really gives a flip) go here:

http://www.gardeningbythemoon.com/lunarfacts.html
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by Dave73 » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:46 am

I have no doubt that a full moon affects human behavior... But an affect on random dice behavior? Not so much...

Useless moon trivia: Why is the moon bigger when it's low on the horizon verses high in the sky?

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by Golfer » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:49 am

I think a full moon's gravity sucks the blood out of many people's brains.........which exposes their core beliefs, personality and behavior...........or the emptiness therein.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by heavy » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:04 am

Useless moon trivia: Why is the moon bigger when it's low on the horizon verses high in the sky?
Ah, more useless information. Love it. I've always heard that this illusion was caused by the refractive nature of the atmosphere - due to the curvature of the earth the atmosphere magnifies the light of the moon (or the sun at sunrise and sunset for you Key Westers). Of course, that's a theory. The other theory is that the brain looks at the data - the moonlight against the backdrop of the landscape, and simply misinterprets the info and "sees' the moon as looking larger. Personally, I like the magnification effect of the atmosphere theory.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by wild child » Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:00 pm

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People wore "mariner's watch" to track moon phase,High / Low tide , sun rise ,
window for best fishing...............

Now smart cell telephones hold all that and more

Last year actually saw people in Las Vegas scheduling their casino play
using that information.

Poker,black jack/21 , mini bac and craps.....

Me thinks the jury is still out on this

Whatever floats your boat,I say........

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by amish dude » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:26 pm

So next Sunday the 27th How should I play ??
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by heavy » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:06 am

The 26th is a waning gibbous moon. The 27th is a waning crescent moon. You're right on the cusp there. Maybe you should play the Doey-Don'ts. LOL.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by gargoil » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:08 am

November Full Moon will be on the 17th. Missing Crapfest by a week. Sooooooooo Heavy!!! Chart us off for the 8th thru the 11th...
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by Dylanfreake » Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:06 pm

Wudged ,

I have played with David. Years ago when I first ran into him , he was playing a table minimum DP wager and two DC wagers . He would lay $120 on points of 6 or 8 and lay $30 on the other points. He always replaced a losing wager.

Then after a couple of years he changed to a table minimum PL wager and two come bets taking $30 in odds on whatever the points were.

He always plays in the dealer hook and always tosses the dice.

When I first ran into him , he was living in Alabama and driving to Tunica for two to three night stays. He plays at just about all the casinos.

He told me once that he had put 100,000 miles on his new car in about a year , so he moved to Southaven , MS to be closer to the casinos. He said since he moved his grocery bill is not much.

He works for a company that does inventories and only works three or four days a week.

I haven`t seen him since we last played together at Harrahs about a year ago.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by Dylanfreake » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:56 am

The Full Moon affect may be for real.

My first session on Friday night started off with a $25 win and then I was hit with 9 straight losses (-$540 +$25) for a session loss of $515.

My first session on Saturday night started with two straight $25 wins and then was followed by 9 straight losses (-$540 +$50) for a session loss of $490.

The bankroll took a hit , probably the largest two session hit ever for me. But I have never played with such a large loss limit.

Well, maybe the next trip will better since it may be before the next Full Moon.

There was no "Cowtippin`" yelling this weekend.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by wudged » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:41 am

Dylanfreake wrote:Wudged ,

I have played with David. Years ago when I first ran into him , he was playing a table minimum DP wager and two DC wagers . He would lay $120 on points of 6 or 8 and lay $30 on the other points. He always replaced a losing wager.

Then after a couple of years he changed to a table minimum PL wager and two come bets taking $30 in odds on whatever the points were.

He always plays in the dealer hook and always tosses the dice.

When I first ran into him , he was living in Alabama and driving to Tunica for two to three night stays. He plays at just about all the casinos.

He told me once that he had put 100,000 miles on his new car in about a year , so he moved to Southaven , MS to be closer to the casinos. He said since he moved his grocery bill is not much.

He works for a company that does inventories and only works three or four days a week.

I haven`t seen him since we last played together at Harrahs about a year ago.

Wow, interesting, thanks for sharing! I tried to figure out what he was doing with his "abacus" of chips but was completely lost. I didn't want to bother him with trying to ask while at the table either.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by heavy » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:08 pm

As I said earlier - at least I think I said it - for years I used the lunar phase as an excuse to go to the casino. If I played by the waxing of the moon and the waning of the moon - the full moon and the dark moon - I was pretty much guaranteed to be in the casino twice a month - an once in a blue moon - three times. Hey, if you have to have a reason to go - that's as good as any.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by wudged » Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:59 pm

Heavy wrote:and once in a blue moon
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