What's the Point in Lay Betting?

[London Shooter]

"because it allows me to play the dark side without any negative vibe from the majority (read: pass line only) of players"

This is a good point. DP action can be spotted by some players at the table (though plenty will not understand what it is) and that can create some murmurings from those who don't like you "playing against them" even though both sides are against the house.

Quite rare in comparison to find somebody who a) knows about lay betting and what money placed in that part of the table means b) be annoyed by it. Often those knowledgeable enough about the game to know what lay bets won't have an issue with you placing that kind bet. Sometimes they'll nod accordingly on the 7 out and wonder why they also weren't playing that way

[luxlogs]

Who Cares what anybody else at the table cares about. It's my $ and I will bet either with or against the dice. It's like my neighbor bitching about my old Army Jeep in my back yard. If you want to tell me how to bet or what to do with my property come up with the Cash or Shut Up.

Here's how to bet DP when a DI has the dice. Lay $30 in odds with pennies on your $5 flat bet. That High White Tower is sure to put any but the best DI's on Tilt. If that doesn't work he will 7 out when his dice hit the High White Tower because of "Target Fixation". Someone said that 90% of this game is half mental, well work on the mental aspect. Fook with people, it's Fun. Just don't cheer and high five after you win a hand on the Don't, That's being a A$$.

[mssthis1]

Who Cares what anybody else at the table cares about. It's my $ and I will bet either with or against the dice. It's like my neighbor bitching about my old Army Jeep in my back yard. If you want to tell me how to bet or what to do with my property come up with the Cash or Shut Up.

Here's how to bet DP when a DI has the dice. Lay $30 in odds with pennies on your $5 flat bet. That High White Tower is sure to put any but the best DI's on Tilt. If that doesn't work he will 7 out when his dice hit the High White Tower because of "Target Fixation". Someone said that 90% of this game is half mental, well work on the mental aspect. Fook with people, it's Fun. Just don't cheer and high five after you win a hand on the Don't, That's being a A$$.

Lux's statement is the best advise you'll get all year, especially the part about target fixation. It's the same as golf. If the only thing in your head is the water on the right, that is where your ball is going to go as your subconscious thoughts are affecting your motor skills.

When you practice you should be practicing with chips on your layout since that is what you will encounter the majority of the time in live play.

[London Shooter]

It's fine to say who cares what anybody else thinks but for some people it's not that straightforward. At least I know it's not for me. Playing don'ts can create a certain feeling amongst other players and I will admit at times that has made me feel uncomfortable - we aren't all built the same way.

[flextimeLV]

Love the ideas, fellas. One leaning Ivory Tower in $30 odds coming this weekend to a Joliet casino near you.

[heavy]

It's fine to say who cares what anybody else thinks but for some people it's not that straightforward. At least I know it's not for me. Playing don'ts can create a certain feeling amongst other players and I will admit at times that has made me feel uncomfortable - we aren't all built the same way.

Well said. We're all wired differently.

I guess we need to start including a Saturday Night Dark Sider's Ball in all of the seminars. LOL.

[mssthis1]

I guess we need to start including a Saturday Night Dark Sider's Ball in all of the seminars. LOL.

Duh, Big Red Truck. If you did a seminar that was primarily weighted to playing the darkside I believe you would be pleasantly surprised.

[luxlogs]

It's fine to say who cares what anybody else thinks but for some people it's not that straightforward. At least I know it's not for me. Playing don'ts can create a certain feeling amongst other players and I will admit at times that has made me feel uncomfortable - we aren't all built the same way.

To quote my first grade teacher Mrs. Hauser

"Lux doesn't play well with other children and he makes the girls cry".

Whoever said that ones personality is set in stone by the age of 5 was right.

[mssthis1]

To quote my first grade teacher Mrs. Hauser

"Lux doesn't play well with other children and he makes the girls cry".

Whoever said that ones personality is set in stone by the age of 5 was right.

If you can make a full craps table empty out I may be interested in some team play with you

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If you did a seminar that was primarily weighted to playing the darkside I believe you would be pleasantly surprised.

Yes, I've done that class before - an entire class focusing on Don't play and shooting from the Don't. One of the smartest classes I've done, if that makes sense. You definitely can get an advantage shooting from the Don'ts.

I'm looking into changing a few thing around in the classes for next year, so don't be surprised if you see us doing a darksider's class.

[DocDays]

One guy at our table I noticed was playing the Don't everythings I'm reckoning, when I got the dice, I told him: "You are not going to be happy when I shoot." That made him a bit mad, so he doubled his bet on the Don't Pass and all the Don't Comes. I just watched where his bets ended up and tried for those numbers. After I made 3 points he was out of chips.

The guards are sitting around when suddenly there is a flash. The Rock Monster appears in their midst and they all stare for a few seconds. Then they all begin shooting at it, to no effect.

Then Fred (played by Tony Shalhoub says gleefully after transporting the Gorignak over to the enemy's ship:

"It’s the simple things in life you treasure."

I made a short video of this very same thing: https://youtu.be/U7ovEiZFhAU
Enjoy.

[luxlogs]

Well that's just stupid, if another player gives a wink and a nod to this blind jackass I certainly take heed. There a old black gentleman who always bets 44 inside WOTCO on every shooter. I told him time and again not to play that when I'm shooting, does he listen, NO, do I still set for the HW's on the CO, Yes. Do I feel bad when I knock him off? Yes. Do I care? Can't afford to.

[Pitbull14]

Definitely count me in for a darkside class !

[DocDays]

I've played Don't many times before. Did 8 Don't Passes in a row once, with full odds. 8 you say? Yep, lost every one of them on a monster hand my friend threw. If you must Don't Bet, maybe try it when a really bad Randy has the dice. But then again, if he is really that bad, I'd go for LittleYellow and progress til he 7 outs.

[heavy]

I've played Don't many times before. Did 8 Don't Passes in a row once, with full odds. 8 you say? Yep, lost every one of them on a monster hand my friend threw. If you must Don't Bet, maybe try it when a really bad Randy has the dice. But then again, if he is really that bad, I'd go for LittleYellow and progress til he 7 outs.

To me this exemplifies the purpose in charting . . . to identify who the really bad Randy is and capitalize on his hands by betting the Don'ts when he has the dice . . . AND the need to set a limit on the number of bets you are willing to lose on the Don'ts before you stop betting on that shooter or switch sides (which rarely works out). Grafstein said "never let the same shooter beat you twice in the same hand." I'll give it three shots, but I certainly don't want to see that fourth bet fall.

[mssthis1]

To me this exemplifies the purpose in charting . . . to identify who the really bad Randy is and capitalize on his hands by betting the Don'ts when he has the dice . . . AND the need to set a limit on the number of bets you are willing to lose on the Don'ts before you stop betting on that shooter or switch sides (which rarely works out). Grafstein said "never let the same shooter beat you twice in the same hand." I'll give it three shots, but I certainly don't want to see that fourth bet fall.

You can also find those who set the dice but either through not knowing their tendencies, bad advise or whatever have worse than random results.

[DocDays]

I hear ya there. Dice setters that chicken feed their throws usually have a SRR far less that random; I'll call these guys "Super Randy's" . hehe

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I call them Super Ricks.

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Good point!

[Golfer]

I hate to say it but lay bets are better than hopping reds in the long run. Yet, when tossing well I have been known to make both.

Good Luck