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Post by olddogcrapper » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:12 pm

I know that when you place a DP bet you have to get passed the 7 and 11. But also you get paid for a 2 or 3. So when betting on randies, Was wondering if using DP for hedge would be appropriate. Let's say for example I get passed the 7 on the DP and the point is 4. As an example bet, let's say I bet $200 on the DP and put $100 on the 4. If the 7 hits I make $100. And if the 4 hits I make $100 dollars. Is my thinking correct here? And would Heavy do it ?

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Post by 220Inside » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:35 pm

Are you talking about working the 4 bet on the comeout? Is the bet on a 4 a place or lay bet? I think you're talking about laying the 4 for $100 (+2 vig). Since you're talking about hedging, I'll assume you're proposing to lay the 4 for $100 (+$2). If the 7 rolls, you lose $150 net (-$200 DP, +50 lay 4). If the 4 hits, the DP get set on the 4, but is not resolved yet. You'll lose the 4 lay bet, putting you in a -$102 position, pending the resolution of the DP bet on the 4.

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Post by Dicepops » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:59 pm

I think he means $200 DP and $100 buy the 4, working on the come out.
7; 200-100=100?
4; 190? and DP travels to the 4?

IDK, that seems wrong too?
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Post by olddogcrapper » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:48 am

Sorry I was so foggy, it was late and I was really tired doing honey do requests. Trying to figure out how to hedge and win either way or break even. Perhaps $100 on the don't pass and place $88 on the box numbers?

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Post by 220Inside » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:08 pm

If you're that concerned about the 7 on the comeout, why not just hop the reds to hedge your DP? $100 DP, hop the reds for $7 each I think will get you what you want. Not a great play though.

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Post by olddogcrapper » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:50 pm

Hi 22, Not worried about the 7 on the CO, Just looking for a hedge on an $88 dollar inside bet for when the 7 does eventually show. If I can get a few hits on the inside numbers and then the 7 shows, my initial $88 is covered.

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Post by 220Inside » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:11 pm

Wow. I completely misunderstood your question then.

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Post by Moe Bettor » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:43 pm

If you bet $200 DP and place $100 on the 4 working, right? come out 4 gives you $190 and a wonderful DP number. Come out 7 you lose $300. Which doesn't answer your question, I guess which I think is how do I get a hedge for my $88 place bets? See OHCM. Just remember that hedging overall is a losing system of play in the long run. You are basically giving the house money for nothing. Best method of play IMO: See regression or perhaps Robin's two hits and down if you have scoped out the table and see a SeattleRick situation where nobody is shooting more than 4-8 roils.

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Post by olddogcrapper » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:14 pm

scout wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:13 am olddogcrapper wrote,
..."Let's say for example I get passed the 7 on the DP and the point is 4. As an example bet, let's say I bet $200 on the DP and put $100 on the 4. If the 7 hits I make $100. And if the 4 hits I make $100 dollars. Is my thinking correct here?"...


Considering the statement, ..."I get passed the 7 on the DP and the point is 4"..., I'm reading it as:
DP $200
then
Point of 4 is established
then
Put $100 on 4
then
a 7 is rolled

Perhaps olddogcrapper will clarify his question.
Hi scout, sorry about the confusion. I think it be better to have $200 dp and $200 place or buy? on the 4. If 4 hits make $360 - $200 dp = $160 profit.
If the 7 shows your even. So I'm imagining that you can do that with any number as point.

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Post by olddogcrapper » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:20 pm

thnick wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:43 pm If you bet $200 DP and place $100 on the 4 working, right? come out 4 gives you $190 and a wonderful DP number. Come out 7 you lose $300. Which doesn't answer your question, I guess which I think is how do I get a hedge for my $88 place bets? See OHCM. Just remember that hedging overall is a losing system of play in the long run. You are basically giving the house money for nothing. Best method of play IMO: See regression or perhaps Robin's two hits and down if you have scoped out the table and see a SeattleRick situation where nobody is shooting more than 4-8 roils.
Thanks Thnick

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Post by heavy » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:44 pm

IF you want to dodge the come out just place $88 inside and Lay either $168 no four or no ten - or $84 each on the four and ten. It's another approach. Just hope the first toss out the gate isn't a four or ten.
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Post by olddogcrapper » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:15 pm

Hi Heavy,
Was more looking at it this way. Let's say I play $200 DP. I get passed the seven and any point is made. I can then place that number for Xamt and either break even or win a little bit. Say it's 4 and I place the 4 for $200. 7 comes I break even , 4 comes I make a little bit. $160 bucks if the 4 comes?

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Post by heavy » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:23 pm

Don't Pass for $200. Point goes to the FOUR. You'd BUY the four for $210. If it hit it would pay net $390. Minus the $200 DP nets you a $190 win. If the Seven shows you win $200 and lose $210 for a $10 loss. I suppose you could "fix" that by playing a $210 Don't Pass. That would cover the "juice." But then I'd want to hedge the hard four for $30. Suddenly you're hedging your profits away.
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Re: darkside

Post by olddogcrapper » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:16 pm

k, thanx

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Post by Golfer » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:56 am

I suggest a hard four bet and ride the risk. 6 ways for 7. Two ways for loser 4.

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