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120 5b375b862c Playing Craps with Confidence Did you ever get one of those spammy e-mails from someone selling male enhancement vitamins, herbal viagra, or "natural" growth hormones? You know the ones - that talk about having "confidence in the bedroom." They say you'll become a "chick magnet." Pretty silly, right? Of course, there really isn't any magic pill that can make you more confident. Confidence comes from between your ears. You've either got it or you don't. And it's much the same at the craps table. Ever notice how some people step up to the table and become a "chip magnet." You’ve seen it before. Your standing at a choppy table when a new player steps up and buys in. He stands tall, looks around, claps his hands and says, “Come on, guys. Let’s turn this table around.” Is this guy a house shill, you wonder? Or is he for real? And as soon as he gets the dice your questions is answered. Coincidence or confidence – the results are the same. Suddenly everyone is winning. Confidence at the tables comes from many things. Let’s take a look at some of the biggies: Experience. My buddy Scott would look at the player I mentioned above and say something like, “You can tell it’s not his first rodeo.” Perhaps the player’s experience has led him to the table. Has he been charting, looking for a particular entry key? Or is he a veteran precision shooter looking to get the dice for a quick hit and run? Whatever he has going for him – he exudes confidence. Knowledge. You have to know the game from all angles and be just as knowledgeable as the supervisors running the game. From the moment our confident player stepped up to the table he took possession of it. It was his table – and he knew it. He also knew exactly what he wanted. Pass Line with maximum free odds. Dealers on the line with shoes. Place the six and eight for $60 each. Two-way parlay on the hard four and ten. He was in charge of the table and – because of his tokes - the dealers were working for him. Suddenly the energy of the game swung toward the players. Discipline. We’ve all seen players load up on bets, then try to press to table max without taking any money down. But our confident crapster was different. As he worked his bets he continually took money off the table. At the same time, though, his wagers increased as he pressed them up and out – eventually covering all the numbers. Then he made his first pass, collected on his line bets and odds, and brought the rest of his action down so he could lock up a profit before running his progressions again. And a half hour later - when he finally sevened out we heard, “Color coming in.” Our confident gambler got in – got it done – and got gone. So what can you do to become a confident gambler? You should start by being a confident person. Stand tall. Look people in the eye when you speak to them. Feel good about yourself. Then make sure you know every aspect of the games you’re going to play. Approach the game with a plan. I refer to it as planning your play and playing your plan. Step up to the table with sufficient bankroll and exercise it wisely. Know exactly how you will handle any difficult situations that arise. And remember – hope is not a strategy. If that’s all you’ve got left then it’s time to exercise your discipline and say the magic words, “Take me down.”
121 fd541ead8c Saturday Night Fever I have a list of “rules” to live by when doing seminars around the country. Most of them revolve around what I refer to as “Saturday Night Fever.” The rules are simple. Saturday night is hazardous to your bankroll. The tables are crowded. It takes too long to get the dice. After a long day in class you’re too tired to play sharp. You’ll end up hoisting a few with your friends, which violates another rule. And because you’ve been in class with these folks and seen their good hands in practice sessions you’ll want to load up on them when they have the dice. Then, when you lose – you’ll naturally reach for your wallet for a re-buy. Saturday nights in the casino. My personal rule - avoid them. There was no Bee Gees music. No neon dance floor. No polyester leisure suits. And certainly there was no fun. It was Saturday night in Vegas – and a few of us who new better had succumbed to the fever. It started as a quest for an empty table – a rarity on a Sin City Saturday. But we wanted to avoid amateur night – so we got in the Explorer and wound our way through the canyons out to a small resort hotel out on the lake. You might occasionally run across a bank auditor’s conference or a group of life insurance salesmen on a sales incentive trip in this place. But you’d never find any serious players there, and you’d never find a crowded table. As we entered the casino I noted that the lone table was, indeed, empty. It was a near-new Paulson with good felt. I couldn’t wait to play it. But we had not eaten yet so the first stop was at the bistro. Orders placed, including cocktails on an empty stomach. Then, tired of waiting for food I decided to check out the table. “Let’s try a hundred while they’re burning my dinner,” I said as I stepped up to stick left and dropped a Benjamin on the table. A stack of red slid toward me. Five on the line, set for the sevens and toss a four – hard. Hmmm. Starting off with a double-pitch. Not a good sign. Have to watch that grip. Single odds, twenty-two inside, two-way parlay on the hard ten. Set the crossed sixes, tap the dice on the table and let them go – and I KNOW as soon as they leave my fingertips it’s a seven. “Seven out, line away,” is the call. The right die had slid out of my grip early and I’d tossed a perfect on axis 6-1 seven. “That was ugly,” I said, counting my chips. Down $34 on two tosses of the dice. “Well, let’s try it again.” Five on the line, set for the sevens and toss a four – hard. History repeats itself. The stick said, “Should have hopped it back.” “Now you tell me,” I said. Single odds, twenty-two inside. Set the crossed sixes, tap the dice on the table and let them go. It felt good that time – and the results were better. “Yo, eleven,” called the stick. A good, on-axis eleven. I noted the spot where I’d tossed the dice and dropped four bucks for a horn bet on the layout. Picked up the dice and tossed them to the same spot again. “Seven out, line away.” Down another $38. I look at the rack. Twenty-eight bucks left out of the hundred. I invoked the “Lose two in a row – time to go” rule and headed back to the bistro for another drink. After dinner two more players joined us, bringing the number of qualified shooters up to six. We settled on who would shoot from where, then headed to the table. The first thing I had to do was re-buy. I dropped three hundred on the layout and said “Change only.” Eight greens and a stack of red came back to me. I added my twenty-eight bucks from before dinner to the rack. It almost looked like a respectable buy-in. Our first shooter set one of his signature numbers – the five – as a point. I took thirty odds, intent on recouping what I’d lost earlier, and placed his other signature number – the nine – for twenty-five. He tossed a six. Another six. Another six. I placed the six for thirty. “Seven out – line away.” Down another ninety bucks. The trend continues. Through the next shooter. And the next shooter. And the next shooter. Now these are all good, qualified shooters I’ve played with many times. I know their signature numbers and bet them with confidence. I rank these folks as some of the best around. Blame it on the moon phase or the underlay or the dice or just karma – on this Saturday night it just wasn’t happening. I’d have hopped tables but this was the only table in the joint. And something HAD to change – right? By the time the dice got back to me I was down to eighty bucks in the rack. Hardly enough to play out a hand with any flexibility. I dropped a couple of more Benjamins on the table and told the dealer to, “Give me a few more bullets.” Five on the line, five on the world plus a buck each high and low. Set for the twelve and let ‘em go. Three craps is the call. I lose the line bet but pick up nine bucks on the prop action for a net four dollar win – add a buck to the four and press the world. Same set and the next call is yo-eleven. Now we’re talking. I pick up a total win of $25, press the world and high low and toss the dice again. Nine is the call. One of my signature numbers. We’re off to the races. I take twenty odds and place thirty-four inside and a two-way parlay on the hard ten. Two rolls later I bang out the ten. I follow with a string of craps numbers, a couple of fours, then repeat the hard ten. The boys lock up $50 and press the rest. I lock up a couple of bucks and press mine to $50. Next roll – seven out. Stick a fork in me – I’m done. No Bee Gees. No dance floor. And no fun. It was a terrible session. I dropped somewhere in the neighborhood of $430 in under two hours - $430 it had taken me two days of hit-and-down to grind out. I was still ahead for the trip – but that $430 was the difference in a win – and a nice win. Rules are there for a reason. It was Saturday night and I’d violated every one of them. Break the rules and you have to pay the cost. Be warned.
122 201ccccde7 [color=blue:201ccccde7][b:201ccccde7]Jan 14, 2010[/b:201ccccde7][/color:201ccccde7] I’m going to the boat this morning and try and win some. I’m playing the right side when I shoot this time and see if I can’t start making some numbers for the craps for cash thing. Here It an article in part from the Casino City times about the “Craps for Cash” at the Grand Victoria Casino. [color=blue:201ccccde7] [b:201ccccde7]It's a pure bonus that makes the Grand Victoria's craps tables among the most popular in the market and a bona fide attraction for serious players, especially when you factor in the fact that the casino offers 100-times odds, which makes the combined house advantage on the pass line when a player takes advantage of full odds a miniscule 0.021 percent. Through the end of January of this year, the bonus had been collected 316 times for a total of $1.264 million since the promotion was launched on August 5, 2003. I was curious enough about the inherent value to the player of this particular promotion to make contact with one of the nation's foremost authorities on gambling mathematics, Michael Shackleford, whose Website, www.wizardofodds.com has a wealth of valuable information and statistical analysis of all casino games. My question was how "Craps for Cash" impacted the already low house advantage on the craps games at the Grand Victoria. Here is Shackleford's response: "The probability of making all six points is one in 6,156, so the value of this to the shooter is $4,000 divided by 6,156 or 64.98 cents. As long as the shooter bets $45 or less on the pass line, and nothing else except the odds, he will have an advantage".[/b:201ccccde7] [/color:201ccccde7] http://brokopp.casinocitytimes.com/arti ... nce?-34180 Anyway, I will settle for any kind of win this morning. I’ll report back later this today. $5Bill
123 880f43efed [img:880f43efed]http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii95 ... lard-2.jpg[/img:880f43efed] [color=green:880f43efed][b:880f43efed]Something crazy happened at the casino today…I actually won![/b:880f43efed][/color:880f43efed][/size:880f43efed] [color=blue:880f43efed][b:880f43efed]Jan 14, 2010[/b:880f43efed][/color:880f43efed] With those last two losses in a row, I was beginning to wonder if I had forgotten how to play craps. I woke up this morning and decided to shoot from the pass line today. I was in a positive mood when I met up with my friend in the wheelchair this morning. I told him what I had planned to do. He said, “It’s about time. That’s the only way you can make real money.” I don’t know about that, I thought to myself but I wanted to try and see how long I could roll the dice from the right side. I’ve never made all the numbers in the “Craps for Cash” promotion yet. I’ve had all the numbers up there twice but I couldn’t make the last point. I could sure use a extra $4,000. I quickly bought in for $100 since the dice were right next to me when we settled into the table. I wanted to make sure that I got the dice next, so I place the point of 9 that the shooter next to me had established. Usually I just leave it up for one roll and then take it down but I was in that positive frame of mind, so I left my $5 place bet up. Two rolls later it hit and I collected my winnings. Alright, I love it when I can win that first bet. That’s always a good sign. I got the dice next and put $5 on the pass line. Now since I’m shooting from the right side, I decided to set the dice differently then I normally would on the come-out than when I’m on the Don’t. I used the all Hardway set with the 6 –1 on the sides and the 3’s looking up. I was shooting from straight out since that was the only place left at the crowded table. The first roll looked great and landed on the 11. I collect my winnings and toss a 9 for the point. I placed the 6 and 8 for $6 each. I changed my dice set to the flying V with the 3's looking up. On the next roll, I came right back with the 9 again. The next come-out roll didn’t go so well. The dice slipped from my hand as I was releasing them and they landed on the 10. I got one hit on the 8 and took my 6 and 8 down. The next roll was a 7-out. I just couldn’t get any long rolls in today. I’ll have to work and find out a good set for shooting from the right side when I go back next Tuesday. But I played the right side more then I usually do this time. Just get one hit on a 6 and 8 and down. The table started getting cold at times and I did play the Don’t once in a while on other players. But it was right side play that got me ahead and kept me there. I was never down the whole 1-hour and 45minutes I was at the casino. What a good feeling that was. [color=green:880f43efed][b:880f43efed]Up for The Day +$56[/b:880f43efed][/color:880f43efed][/size:880f43efed] I should give my friend in the wheel chair a "Handle," Give me some suggestions and help me name my friend. LOL
124 efd3961443 Who Needs a Casino Coach? Who needs a casino coach? I do. I frequently ask other experts I know and trust to take a look at my toss and see if they see anything wrong with it. Likewise, we're constantly evaluating my betting strategies to make certain I'm making correct decisions to maximize win opportunities while minimizing downside losses. Do you need a casino coach? Of course you do. World-class athletes have coaches. So do actors and opera divas. Even business executives have discovered the secret. Winners in nearly every profession know that without the right coach they won't perform at their peak. The same applies to craps and precision dice shooting. Like a lot of old-time precision crapshooters, I taught myself how to control the dice. It started with casual observation of the good shooters at my local casino and grew into research through books, on-line resources and discussion groups. I started trying to emulate what the good shooters did and my shooting improved. But while I was a better shooter, I really didn’t understand why. Eventually, through trial and error and listening to the advice of others, I finally worked most of it out. The downside - it took almost ten years to get there. Today players don’t have to go through that. There are many alternatives available in the form of casino coaches. Whether you live in the Deep South, the Northeast, the Midwest, or way out West, there is a precision dice shooting coach near you. There are many advantages to working one-on-one with a dice coach. You get to observe the coach first hand as he demonstrates the various dice pre-sets, grips and tosses. You get to attempt to replicate his toss while he observes and makes suggestions for adjustments and fine-tuning the results. This immediate feedback is something you simply cannot get from a book, at your home practice table, or from a friend in the casino. But one-on-one coaching goes beyond the grip, pick-up and toss of the dice. You also benefit from the years of experience these coaches have garnered at the tables. You learn the subtleties of charting a table, how to read the bounce of the dice, and how to better manage your money and yourself at the tables. In short, you learn how to win. Does it work? Here are a few comments from some of my students from recent classes around the country: “K” wrote - [i:efd3961443]“After attending the first day of the seminar, we anxiously applied our newly acquired skills and knowledge at the Gold Strike. I did quite well--six passes on three numbers (5,6 and 9), with the five showing often. My longest roll was 26 numbers!”[/i:efd3961443] “S” wrote - [i:efd3961443]“Heavy’s lectures turned me into a more conservative bettor and helped me to understand what “qualifying a shooter” was all about.”[/i:efd3961443] Scott, an alumnus from the first DiceCoach/Irishsetter/Heavy joint class in Vegas said,[i:efd3961443] “After the school was over I had my personal best roll at Palace Station. I rolled a 41 number hand Sunday morning after the School. It paid me 614 dollars.”[/i:efd3961443] Dixie, Scott’s best friend and playing partner, summed it up best. [i:efd3961443]“The real reason for these seminars is that there are some things you can only see in person.” [/i:efd3961443] How do you know if you’re ready to attend a seminar or one-on-one coaching session? Here are a few questions to ask yourself. • Have you peaked at your present level of performance in the casino? • Are you experiencing diminishing results at the tables? • Is there a gap between where you are and where you'd like to be? • Are you frustrated with the differences in “practice” results and “casino” results? • Do you feel like you need to make some changes to your grip or toss? • Do you know what you are doing wrong? • Do you know what it is that you don't know? • Do you have clear goals for your level of success at precision shooting? • Are you willing to focus on what needs to be done NOW to attain those goals? • Are you interested in developing yourself into a Total Player? • Are you willing to work extremely hard to get there? • Do you have time and resources to invest in your future? Will you emerge from one of these seminars and become the Tiger Woods of craps? Probably not. After all, there’s only one Tiger. But what if you could be a Luke Donald or a Jonathan Kaye? Who, you ask, are Donald and Kaye? Well, they’re both golf pros – last time I looked they were around fortieth on the PGA money-list this year. Between them they’ve won well over a half-million dollars. Not bad for a couple of guys you probably never heard of. And you can bet that they both have coaches.
125 dd0b60e3df Mad_Professor Moderator ******* Joined: Sept 2003 Posts: 1,897 Re: Starting off with a win. « Reply #107 on Jan 14, 2010, 5:54pm » [color=blue:dd0b60e3df][b:dd0b60e3df][Quote] Jan 14, 2010, 4:55pm, $5Bill wrote: I should give my friend in the wheel chair a "Handle," Give me some suggestions and help me name my friend. LOL[/b:dd0b60e3df][/color:dd0b60e3df] How about "Ironside"? MP
126 3a4b122ff1 [color=green:3a4b122ff1][b:3a4b122ff1]LOL MP, OK then, from now on my friend in the wheelchair will be called “Ironside” in all my trip reports from now on. [/b:3a4b122ff1] [/color:3a4b122ff1] [/size:3a4b122ff1] I should tell you a little about him. First of all he’s one of those computer illiterates who doesn’t know how to turn on a computer. Otherwise I would have him sign up on the board here. Although he said he was going to hire someone to teach him how to use one. I met “Ironside” and another guy named “Howard” when I first started going to the casino back in 1999. Grand Victoria used to have a breakfast club in the morning before it would open up. That was a blast back then. All the guys would meet up and talk about the crap game and other things (mostly about making money) while having a free continental breakfast. Well, The first time I ever saw them was when I walked into the room where they had the food set up. I filled my plate and I was looking around for a place to sit down when I heard this guy call out, “Come on and sit down over here,” Ironside called out. He was talking with Howard at this big round table. Ironside likes to talk a lot so it didn’t take very long before the two of them knew everything about me. I said, “After my heart attack, my cardiac rehab class planned a trip out to the casino. I had never been to the Grand Victoria before.” They asked me what I played. I told them that I only brought $24 with me and I was going to play the slot machines. The two of them would meet everyday at the same time. I was winning a couple of dollars everyday and I mean just a couple, so I kept coming to meet up with them. In our conversations, I found out that they played craps. Ironside and Howard said, “Why don’t you join us at the Table?” I told them that I didn’t know how to play craps. “Stick with us and we’ll teach you,” they said. “OK,” I remarked. The first time I just stood there and watched. “Put a chip down on the Don’t Pass here,” Howard said. They were Don’t players I found out later. Ironside and Howard taught me the game of craps from the Don’t side. So that’s all I knew how to play at first. I was really enjoying myself by finally getting out of my apartment that I had been cooped up in since my heart attack. I hardly had any money because I’m on Social Security Disability and I wanted to keep coming to the casino. So I said to myself, “If I’m going to do this, I’m going find out every thing there is to know about the game of craps. So I went to the library and got every tape, and book that I could get my hands on. In the mean time Ironside and Howard would teach me the game when we were at the casino. One morning at breakfast we were disusing the game and I asked them, “Do you think that you could make just $5 a day everyday? Howard quickly said “Sure?” He seemed so positive about being able to do it that I took up the challenge of making just $5 a day everyday. It was so easy. When I made the $5 that day, I would just quit and watch the other guys play. On the 20th day I had made $95, winning 19 times in a row. But that day I lost it all trying to make that $5 for the day. Anyway that’s how I got the name $5Bill. But Ironside, Howard and I continued to play all the time. They became my best friends. Howard was the first one to cut down on his visits. He had some health issues with his heart that prevented him from coming. This Christmas 2009, I sent Howard a Christmas Email card, which he usually responds too but I didn’t hear from him this Christmas. I hope he is all right. Irionside lost his leg to Diabetes a couple of years ago. That’s how he ended up in a wheelchair. Half way through 2008 I finally got Ironside to start coming back out to the casino. It’s done wonders to his spirit. He loves the game of craps. These days he plays both ways but mostly on the right side; $16/$17 inside for 2 or 3 hits and down on everything. Don’t Ever mention pressing up his bets to him. He thinks people who press their bets are insane. Oh, I forgot to tell you, he is not a DI but he does set the dice and is a good rhythm roller. A lot of craps on the comeout and lately he has been rolling a lot of 4’s and 10’s. Yesterday I bet the 6 and 8 on his roll and collected 2 hits and down. Ironside and I will be back playing this Tuesday. $5Bill
127 f33c5b66a4 [color=green:f33c5b66a4][b:f33c5b66a4]LOL MP, OK then, from now on my friend in the wheelchair will be called “Ironside” in all my trip reports from now on. [/b:f33c5b66a4] [/color:f33c5b66a4] [/size:f33c5b66a4] [color=blue:f33c5b66a4][b:f33c5b66a4]Jan 15, 2010[/b:f33c5b66a4][/color:f33c5b66a4] I should tell you a little about him. First of all he’s one of those computer illiterates who doesn’t know how to turn on a computer. Otherwise I would have him sign up on the board here. Although he said he was going to hire someone to teach him how to use one. I met “Ironside” and another guy named “Howard” when I first started going to the casino back in 1999. Grand Victoria used to have a breakfast club in the morning before it would open up. That was a blast back then. All the guys would meet up and talk about the crap game and other things (mostly about making money) while having a free continental breakfast. Well, The first time I ever saw them was when I walked into the room where they had the food set up. I filled my plate and I was looking around for a place to sit down when I heard this guy call out, “Come on and sit down over here,” Ironside called out. He was talking with Howard at this big round table. Ironside likes to talk a lot so it didn’t take very long before the two of them knew everything about me. I said, “After my heart attack, my cardiac rehab class planned a trip out to the casino. I had never been to the Grand Victoria before.” They asked me what I played. I told them that I only brought $24 with me and I was going to play the slot machines. The two of them would meet everyday at the same time. I was winning a couple of dollars everyday and I mean just a couple, so I kept coming to meet up with them. In our conversations, I found out that they played craps. Ironside and Howard said, “Why don’t you join us at the Table?” I told them that I didn’t know how to play craps. “Stick with us and we’ll teach you,” they said. “OK,” I remarked. The first time I just stood there and watched. “Put a chip down on the Don’t Pass here,” Howard said. They were Don’t players I found out later. Ironside and Howard taught me the game of craps from the Don’t side. So that’s all I knew how to play at first. I was really enjoying myself by finally getting out of my apartment that I had been cooped up in since my heart attack. I hardly had any money because I’m on Social Security Disability and I wanted to keep coming to the casino. So I said to myself, “If I’m going to do this, I’m going find out every thing there is to know about the game of craps. So I went to the library and got every tape, and book that I could get my hands on. In the mean time Ironside and Howard would teach me the game when we were at the casino. One morning at breakfast we were disusing the game and I asked them, “Do you think that you could make just $5 a day everyday? Howard quickly said “Sure?” He seemed so positive about being able to do it that I took up the challenge of making just $5 a day everyday. It was so easy. When I made the $5 that day, I would just quit and watch the other guys play. On the 20th day I had made $95, winning 19 times in a row. But that day I lost it all trying to make that $5 for the day. Anyway that’s how I got the name $5Bill. But Ironside, Howard and I continued to play all the time. They became my best friends. Howard was the first one to cut down on his visits. He had some health issues with his heart that prevented him from coming. This Christmas 2009, I sent Howard a Christmas Email card, which he usually responds too but I didn’t hear from him this Christmas. I hope he is all right. Irionside lost his leg to Diabetes a couple of years ago. That’s how he ended up in a wheelchair. Half way through 2008 I finally got Ironside to start coming back out to the casino. It’s done wonders to his spirit. He loves the game of craps. These days he plays both ways but mostly on the right side; $16/$17 inside for 2 or 3 hits and down on everything. Don’t Ever mention pressing up his bets to him. He thinks people who press their bets are insane. Oh, I forgot to tell you, he is not a DI but he does set the dice and is a good rhythm roller. A lot of craps on the comeout and lately he has been rolling a lot of 4’s and 10’s. Yesterday I bet the 6 and 8 on his roll and collected 2 hits and down. Ironside and I will be back playing this Tuesday. $5Bill
128 b330b0d801 New Spins on Old Systems Someone is always coming up with exotic plays based on “due numbers,” the “law of averages,” or the “law of large numbers.” Often these plays involve placing all of the box numbers on the layout – leaving that action up for a specific number of rolls, then taking it all down. Of course, the seven is the killer on that action. You can risk $64 across in an effort to win, say, $14 - $18 a toss for two or three tosses, then bring it all down. Of course, that’s rarely what happens. More frequently player discipline fails and the bets stay up for the third, fourth, or fifth roll before the seven shows and takes them down for you. Perhaps you win $7 - $14 net when it’s all said and done. Or maybe the seven shows early and you find yourself down $50 - $64 right off the bat. When that happens most people quickly reevaluate their strategy and try to find a less expensive way to cover all of the numbers. The Anything but Seven strategy – known by some as the Iron Cross – is one of the most popular. Let’s take a look at it. The ABS system calls for the player to place the five, six and eight in combination with a Field bet. This combination of wagers not only covers the box numbers, it also covers the horn numbers. Placed in the right denomination – every roll will yield some sort of win. Let’s assume we’re using $10 units. Your wager will be $34 inside – no nine – plus a $10 wager in the Field. If the five, six, or eight roll you’ll collect $14 on the place action but lose $10 on the Field bet. Net gain - $4. If any other box number or the eleven roll you’ll collect $10. If the two or twelve roll you’ll collect $20 – or perhaps $30 if the casino triples the field on either of these numbers. Every roll is a winner – except when the seven shows. Then you drop $44. Unfortunately, if you go by the math of the game you’ll discover that the seven shows up early and often enough to make this system a loser the majority of the time. In order to avoid the long-term exposure to the seven some players bypass the come out roll and bet on all of the place numbers for one roll only. Let’s say you’re using $5 units. You bet $5 each on the four, five, nine, and ten, and place the six and eight for $6 each. You’re total action will be $32 across. On your one roll of the dice you’ll either win $9 on the four or ten , or $7 on the inside numbers. However, there’s still a one-in-six chance you'll lose all $32 if the seven rolls. And if that happens, you have to win five more decisions just to get back even. Here’s an interesting variation for folks who want a shot at a one roll win. With this strategy you place all of the box numbers before the come out roll and have them “working.” But you also play a Pass Line bet to hedge your working action. Let’s take a look at it playing $10 units. Prior to the come-out drop $64 on the table and tell the dealer you want $64 across – working. Then you play a $65 Pass Line bet. If any point number rolls you’ll win from $14 to $18, depending on the point established. If a seven rolls you win $1 net. Nothing wrong with that. But if a point number rolled you’re stuck with a $65 contract bet on the Pass Line. What do you do about that? Well, let’s think about it. After you net out the previous win you have $51 “at risk” to the seven. Let’s assume the point established is the six. Is there a way we can hedge that $51 at risk on the five? Absolutely. You can lay the six for $75. Now what is the worst that can happen? IF the six rolls you win $65 on the Pass Line – but lose $75 on the lay for a combined $10 loss. However, since you collected $14 earlier on the come out roll you are a net $4 winner for the series. If the seven should show you would lose the $65 on the pass line – but win $60 on the don’t pass – a net $5 loss until you factor in the earlier come-out win. Do the math and you turn out to be a net $9 winner for the series. A heck of a lot of work for a $4 - $9 win, huh? Especially since there’s another fly in the ointment. Our initial $65 Pass Line bet was exposed to a potential loss at the hands of the two, three or twelve craps. The cost to hedge that – too much over the long haul. That’s the problem with hedge systems. You end up hedging your hedges. Then things just get silly. Systems are fun to play around with, but the simple fact is that without influencing the outcome of the roll there is no way to mathematically overcome the house’s edge at craps. Anyone who tells you there is – is wrong. Hedge bets may feel like they soften the blow of a loss, but by and large they don’t work. The smart play? Play within your bankroll, practice good money management and discipline, limit your hedges, and focus on the bets with the lowest house edge – the Pass or Don’t Pass, and placing the six and eight.
129 b98d7222db Mad_Professor Moderator ******* Joined: Sept 2003 Posts: 2,038 Re: Starting off with a win. « Reply #112 on Jan 16, 2010, 1:13pm » [Quote] Hi Bill, I hope you didn't think my suggested "[i:b98d7222db][b:b98d7222db]Ironside[/b:b98d7222db][/i:b98d7222db]" handle for your friend was mean-spirited, or in any way malicious. Instead it was in homage to that fine British Columbia actor,[i:b98d7222db][b:b98d7222db] Raymond Burr[/b:b98d7222db][/i:b98d7222db] (you'll remember him as[i:b98d7222db][b:b98d7222db] Perry Mason[/b:b98d7222db][/i:b98d7222db]), for his portrayal in the late 60's/early-70's TV series, [i:b98d7222db]Ironside[/i:b98d7222db]; in which he played a wheelchair-bound ex-detective. [img:b98d7222db]http://i45.tinypic.com/1oaosk.jpg[/img:b98d7222db] MP
130 79832a8073 [color=blue:79832a8073][b:79832a8073]Jan 16, 2010[/b:79832a8073][/color:79832a8073] Thanks MP for explaining the meaning behind the Handle “Ironside.” My friend will like it. The name “Ironside” stays as ordered by this board. Thanks $5Bill
131 e88709d242 [color=green:e88709d242][b:e88709d242]That Really Hurt![/b:e88709d242][/color:e88709d242][/size:e88709d242] [color=blue:e88709d242][b:e88709d242]Jan 19, 2010[/b:e88709d242][/color:e88709d242] I met up with Irionside this morning. When we got there, the two tables that were open were packed. I managed to get Irionside set up at SR 3 but I couldn’t find a place. So I went and got a decaf. When I got back, I slipped into Straight out left. But with my shoulder still sore from Sunday evening, I wasn’t sure this spot was a good idea. My first bet was a $5 place bet on the 4 that the guy next to me had established. I decided to also place the 10 for $5. The 10 hit and I took both bets down. Now I was in a good position to roll the dice next. I got the dice and tossed them to the wall, Ohh that hurt. The pain was even worse on the next roll. Then came the 3rd roll and my shoulder went completely out, Dam that Really hurt! The dice landed in the middle of the come box. I couldn’t get them to the wall. Of course the box said something to me. I ignored him. Irionside who had moved to SR1 by now told the box that my shoulder was out. I couldn’t move my right arm so I changed and tried to set and toss the dice with my left hand. Well, I couldn’t set them and my toss looked like crap. So I became just a random shooter. I was doing my best just trying to get the dice down to the wall. The 7 showed up shortly after that. I had lost my pass line bet and a $6, 6 and 8 that I had up. I did get one hit on the 8 though. I was losing on the other players with my Don’t bet. I was down -$45 on my $100 buy-in. I was so discussed that I left the table and went over to this other table that they were just about to open. Then I noticed that it was going to be a $10. There was no I was going to play a $10 table with a $55 bankroll. I went back to the same table and got my same spot at straight-out. This time I got a break and there were several quick seven-out’s. I couldn't use my right hand to pick up my winnings so I had to use my left hand. Then I caught 2 hits on the 6 and 8 on another player. I took them down and Left my $6 Don’t pass that I still had up there. I collected on that when he sevened-out. I was back in the game again. I had this meeting at the township so I had to leave a little earlier today then I usually do. My shoulder was killing me. When I got to my meeting, I called the doctors office and they told me to come in right away. It seems that I have an inflamed tendon in my shoulder. I don’t remember doing anything to hurt it but the doc said you must have done something. He gave me a prescription for some anti-inflammatory meds and said to give it a rest for a week and don’t try to work it out by exercising. When I got in my car, I went to shift it into gear. In this really cold weather we have been having these past couple weeks, I realized that my shoulder might have gone out trying to shift my car into gear. It’s so cold that it’s really hard to shift it into drive. Sometimes I feel like I’m going to break the linkage trying to get into gear. That’s the only thing I can think of. Any of you car mechanics know what I can do to make it easier to shift my automatic transmission in my 98 Lumina in this cold weather? [color=green:e88709d242][b:e88709d242]Up For the Day +$3[/b:e88709d242][/color:e88709d242][/size:e88709d242] $5Bill
132 a17f51afd3 [color=green:a17f51afd3][b:a17f51afd3]I Just Couldn’t Believe It[/b:a17f51afd3][/color:a17f51afd3][/size:a17f51afd3] [color=blue:a17f51afd3][b:a17f51afd3]Jan 21, 2010[/b:a17f51afd3][/color:a17f51afd3] Irionside and I got to the boat a little earlier then we normally do. Not by much though, about 20 minutes earlier. I told Irionside, “my arm is still sore so I plan on shooting left handed from SL, the closer the better,” I said. “Ok, whatever it takes,” he replied. When we walked up to the table, I saw that the only opening on the left of the stick was at SL 3 and 4. I got him seated and I went to the restroom and then got my decaf. When I got back, two of the guys had left so Irionside took SL2 and he gave me SL1. That made me happy and it wasn’t long before I had the dice. I felt like a klutz trying to set the dice to the Hardway set with the 4’s looking up for my come out roll. I put my $5 on the pass line and tossed them to the wall. 7! I’ll take that, thank you. From there, I quick set the dice. The next roll was a 4. I told the dealer to give me a $6, 6 and 8. I came right back with the 4 on the next roll. The second come-out roll went like this; 7,7,7,7,6. Holy Crap, I couldn’t believe I could shoot so well with my left hand. I don’t know if it was luck or that I’m really that good but I’ll take that any day. Now I was relaxed knowing that all my bets were paid for. I hit the 8 once and then I made my second point of 6. I established my third point of 9 and after a few rolls, I decided to take down my 6 and 8. My hand ended but I had almost won half of my $100 buy-in. I know I said it before but I just couldn’t believe I did so well shooting left handed. From now on I’m betting from the right side when I shoot. Irionside said to me, “Can you imagine if you where shooting from the Don’t, you’d be in the Dumper by now.” “I know,” I told him. The dice went around the table and I did bet the Don’t on a few randies. Everything was going so well when all of a sudden they said, “It will be a $10 game in 3 shooters.” Dam! They were opening another $5 table next to us. Irionside said to them, “Why don’t you make the other table $10 and leave this one at $5?” The Crew told him it wasn’t their decision. So I had to move Irionside over to the next table that they had just opened up. I wasn’t happy at all. We couldn’t get there fast enough and I found myself at straight out. The dice came to me right away. I didn’t know how I was ever going to shoot from this far away left-handed. It was amazing that I got the dice to the back wall. It didn’t take but a couple of rolls when the ugly 7 showed up. I lost my pass line bet and a $6, 6 and 8 that I had made. Now I was pissed. I tried to control my impatience. I saw that someone had left the table over at SL 2. I told Irionside, “I have to move over there so I can shoot.” I never did get the dice again but I was up. One of the suits came around to me at the table and said, “Don’t go away, we’re trying to get you and Irionside some comps for lunch.” “Great,” I told him. I told Irionside about it and I said, I’m happy with my win for the day. I’m gong to quit playing.” Just then the Shift manager came over to us at the table and gave us the two comps for lunch. Holy crap, two comps and we didn’t even ask for them. That was it for the both of us today. Irionside made a couple more dollars then I did but not by that much though. We might have had some moments there but we were both thrilled with our play today. I still can’t believe I did so well shooting left-handed and from the right side at that. We’ll be back to the boat next Tuesday and Thursday. [color=green:a17f51afd3][b:a17f51afd3]Up for the Day +$77[/b:a17f51afd3][/color:a17f51afd3][/size:a17f51afd3] Oh BTW, I told Irionside while we were at lunch about my trip reports that I write up every time I go to the casino. (He knows about Heavy’s board.) Anyway, I told him that I was tried of calling him “My friend in the wheelchair” all the time and that I had asked the guys on the board to come up with a Handle for him. I told him, “You are now known in the dice community as “Irionside.” He smiled and said, “Perry Mason!” He got the reason behind the name right away. When we got to the car I gave him a copy of my trip report where I asked the board to give him a Handle and the follow ups so he would know how we came to name him “Irionside.” When I got home he called me back and said, “I LOVE IT” He was so thrilled that he had a handle now. “I’ve got to learn to use that computer.” I hope he follows threw and becomes a member on the board. $5Bill
133 a6abd5c865 [img:a6abd5c865]http://theboldsoul.lisataylorhuff.com/p ... ommute.gif[/img:a6abd5c865] [color=blue:a6abd5c865][b:a6abd5c865] Jan 25, 2010[/b:a6abd5c865][/color:a6abd5c865] I was just sitting here at the computer trying to figure out what my plan for tomorrow morning at the casino will be. I’m meeting up with Irionside again. My shoulder is a lot better then it was last week at this time but I can still feel it just a little. I threw some practice tosses and it seemed like I could use my right hand for tomorrow. But if I feel like it will injure my arm again, then I’ll go back and use my left arm. I think I just got lucky last week when I threw all those 7’s on the come-out roll. But no matter what arm I have to use, I’m still going to play the pass line using the Hardway set for the come-out. Once I set the point, I will place the 6 and 8 for $6 each. The only thing that I haven’t figured out yet is what set I’m going to use for the rest of my rolls. Last week, I quick set and I made some money. But if my good arm is working OK, I don’t know what set I’ll use yet. I’m still thinking about that. $5Bill
134 0541d7c153 [color=green:0541d7c153][b:0541d7c153]At Least I Didn’t Lose[/b:0541d7c153][/color:0541d7c153][/size:0541d7c153] [color=blue:0541d7c153][b:0541d7c153]Jan 26, 2010[/b:0541d7c153][/color:0541d7c153] It Sure is Cold here in Chicago. I woke up this morning to meet up with Irionside at the casino. When I went down to get in my car, all my doors were frozen shut. After kicking them for a while they finally opened up. Iroinside and I found our spots. He took SL1 and I took SL 2. My arm felt a lot better today so I decided to use my right hand for shooting. Little good it did though. I couldn’t throw worth a dam. I had the dice 3 times and I had a 7 on the come-out on two of them. I placed the 6 and 8 for $6 each like I planned but I couldn’t roll more then 4 rolls. I would get one hit on the 6 or 8 and then the 7 would show up. I didn’t get hurt that much but I was hoping that I could make some money. Maybe I should roll with my left hand next time? We had two DI’s at SR 1 and SR2. I placed the 6 and 8 on them the first time around but they sevened-out. So next time around I put my money on the Don’t. Of course that’s when they had the come-out naturals and made 3 points. The third time around I went with them and made back a few bucks. I was too eager to bet with them when they first stepped up to the table. I should have waited to see how well they were going to shoot. The table was choppy and I was down about -$45 at the most on my $100 buy-in. I could see that Irionside’s bankroll wasn’t long for this world and I knew we would be leaving pretty soon. So when this certain Rhythm Roller that we know got the dice and rolled a 2 right after he established his point, I placed the 6 and 8 for $18 each and I put $10 in the field. He was very good to me and threw 3 field numbers in a row. Then I took everything down. He said, “Did you get a phone call?” I just smiled and said, “Thank You.” He rolled another field number and then sevened-out. I made money playing the Don’t Pass on the rest of the randies. Irionside was done for the day. It just wasn’t his day today. We went to the cage and decided to get have lunch. We will be back this Thursday morning again. I didn’t make much today but I wasn’t betting that much either, well except toward the end when I did that 6 and 8 and the Field bet. I glad that didn't go wrong. [color=green:0541d7c153][b:0541d7c153]Up for the day +$9[/b:0541d7c153][/color:0541d7c153][/size:0541d7c153] $5Bill On the way home I stopped at Target to pick up a few things. They were giving away these free 3D glasses for the 52nd Grammy Awards coming up this Sunday. When I got home I already had my practice rig all set up in the living room. Being the idiot that I am, I wondered what it would be like to shoot the dice in 3D. I put on the glasses and the first 5 rolls were really awesome looking. But then as I was throwing the next 5 times I started to get sick to my stomach. So I stopped and took them off. Everything looked red out of my right eye were the blue lens was and everything looked blue were the red lens was.
2646 b182c8e714 Know where you can get a free buy on the 4 & 10
135 ba7d4d7665 [size=18:ba7d4d7665][color=red:ba7d4d7665][b:ba7d4d7665]The Only Thing Good Today Was The Pizza[/b:ba7d4d7665] [/color:ba7d4d7665][/size:ba7d4d7665] Jan 28, 2010 Being the last day of the month, which I had planned on playing, it sure didn’t turn out the very good. Irionside was at SR1 and about all they had left was a spot at straight out. I wasn’t very confident shooting from there today, just a feeling I had. My first hand was about 4 rolls and out. I lost my $6, 6 and 8 and my $5 pass line bet. Today I used a different permutation of the V3 set. It worked really good at home practice but it didn’t translate at the real craps table. My second hand started out much better. I had four 7’s on the come-out roll, just like I had last Thursday but my roll still didn’t last very long. The tables were jammed by now. How I hate it went it gets like that. I kept losing my minimum don’t bets on the other players. Once in a while I would place the 6 and 8 for $6. I missed out on one good roll from the guy next to me. About an hour and a half later, I was down $100. I told Irionside that I was going over to the roulette wheel and play First dozen, Second dozen for a hit and run. On the way there, I stopped off at another craps table. I saw a guy having a good hand so I went $44 inside and planned on pressing it up to $66 inside on the first hit and then down on everything but he tossed the 7 on the next roll. So off I went to the roulette wheel. I played $25 on the first dozen and $25 on the second dozen. I won $25, holy mackerel I should have come straight here in the first place. The TGS asked me for my player’s card but I told her that I was going back to the craps table. When I got back to the craps table, I got the dice right away. I thought I would try “Dicer’s Strategy.” again. I put $10 on the pass line and had $44 working on the come out. Using the V3 set, I threw a 7 on the come-out. I lost that money. I had nothing working on the next come-out. I rolled one of the inside numbers to establish the point. Then I placed the 6 and 8 for $12 each and hit the 8 on the next roll. With that win I also placed the 5 and 9 for $10 each. My plan was to get two hits and then down on everything but I rolled that 7 again. Uhhh, that was it for me. I was down -$196. I went to inform Irionside what had happened. He said, “You want to go to lunch,” “Yeah,” I replied. When we got to the buffet, I was down on myself, so I grabbed a slice of pizza, something I really shouldn’t be eating. I got back to the dinner table and Irionside said, “Pizza?” I told him, “Why Not!” It tasted pretty good. After a nice lunch, I took him back to his car. When I went to put the wheelchair back inside the casino, I thought about the $18 that I had left in my pocket. I went back in and went to the roulette table. This time I played John Patrick’s "Action Number" strategy. You put 3 units on the 1-4 double street, 3 units on the 10-13 double street, 2 units on quad numbers 17,18,20 and 21, and put 3 units on the 28-31 double street. This covers the numbers evenly all around the wheel, and is a decent way to play the game. I only did it once and I won $7 when I hit one of the quad numbers . I took my winnings and went back to another craps table. This time it was just one hit on the 6 or 8 and down. One time I hit the 12 when I had the 6 and 8 and $5 in the field. Now I had $60 in my rack. I thought this was enough for today and I left the casino. I was still down but at least I got some of it back. I wish I had something amusing to tell you about that happened at the casino today. Maybe something will happen on the next trip coming up this coming Tuesday morning. [size=18:ba7d4d7665][color=red:ba7d4d7665][b:ba7d4d7665]Down For the Day -$148[/b:ba7d4d7665][/color:ba7d4d7665][/size:ba7d4d7665] $5Bill
136 dae034d938 [size=18:dae034d938][color=green:dae034d938][b:dae034d938]If Only I had Stuck to the Don’ts[/b:dae034d938][/color:dae034d938] [/size:dae034d938] [color=blue:dae034d938][b:dae034d938]Feb 2, 2010[/b:dae034d938][/color:dae034d938] I was supposed to meet up with Ironside this morning at the casino but when I woke up it was snowing like hell. I listened to the forecast and they said that we were just going to get and inch. I looked outside again and the saw people driving on the side streets. So I gave it a try and got in my car. It was the side streets that were bad otherwise the main roads were pretty salted down by then. I got there a half an hour early at 9:30 just in case Irionside was early. He hadn’t showed up yet so I started to go on board the boat. They stopped me and said that the casino was closed until 10 am. They were updating the computers. “OK”, No problem.” I’ll just get a decaf and wait for Irionside. He got there a few minutes after 10 am and we went to the tables. I pushed him to SL1 that I saw open and got him set up. Well, that was it for me. The 2 tables were jammed already. Can you believe that? I went down and got a decaf and when I got back SL2 opened up. It was more like SL3 with Irionside’s stool taking up so much room. Anyway I started doing the $6 don’ts and placing the 6 and 8 on all the players. I got the dice and I bet the pass line and placed the 6 and 8. I just couldn’t get past 4 rolls on any of my hands. I was going down fast betting on the other players too. The table was cold. I thought I cold get at least a couple of hits on my 6 and 8 but NO! Larry was really doing bad playing 3 inside numbers each time. He told me that he had lost 13 times in a row without making a profit. He was finished for the day. Out of the $100 I started with, I was down to my last $56. Irionside said, Let’s go to lunch. I said, “OK,” and I made one last bet for an $18, 6 and 8 with $18 in the field bet. It was really one of those melt down bets, STUPID! But I got lucky and collected $18 on the field when the shooter rolled a 9. I took my $74 and put the chips in my pocket. At lunch I told Irionside that if I had only stuck to playing the Don’ts and nothing else, I would have made a good buck today. He agreed with me. I was supposed to have a disability meeting at the township at 1 pm today but it was cancelled because of the snow. So when I pushed Irionside to his car, I had nothing else to do when he left. I went back in to put his wheelchair back and turned and went back inside the casino. Now I didn’t have any distractions. I planned on playing at the same cold table and just bet the Don’t. I found SL2 open again. When I shot, I tossed from the Don’t side this time. There was this one guy at SL1 next to me that just leaned in over the table with his head in my way. I was getting upset that he wouldn’t move it. “I’ll bet if I get my hand right next to his head when I toss, I bet you he’ll move,” I was thinking to myself as I was tossing the dice. I almost hit him in the head with my hand several times but he just kept staring down at the layout when I shot. Of course I couldn’t seven-out now and I made 3 points. Why Is That All About? But from that point on it was nothing but up hill all the way. Finally the guy at SL1 colored up and left. Thank goodness. Now I had my spot. I was playing small with my $6 Don’ts on the other randies and since I didn’t have any distractions anymore, I listened to that inter voice that you get when you are at ease and are concentrating on the game. I was making some money. It took a while but I found myself up and I didn’t want to get caught in rush hour traffic and I left the table. I will be back Thursday morning when I meet up with Irionside again. [size=18:dae034d938][color=green:dae034d938][b:dae034d938]Up for the day +$29[/b:dae034d938][/color:dae034d938][/size:dae034d938] $5Bill
137 d4fe4244a1 Superstition . . . or Rules to Play By? What the heck is up with crapsters and this superstition thing? You know what I’m talking about. The presumption that there is a cause and effect relationship between certain events that occur during the course of the game. Take that “dice off the table” thing, or “see a horn bet a horn” for example. Is there really anything to that? Occasionally connections between two apparently unrelated events are discovered after careful study, but most of the time these apparent connections are found to be mere coincidence. This is especially true in random games of chance such as casino craps. Consider for a moment how these superstitions come into being. Early psychological behaviorist Ivan Pavlov demonstrated it quite nicely. The work that made Pavlov a household name in psychology actually began as a study in digestion. He was looking at the digestive process in dogs, especially the interaction between salivation and the action of the stomach. He realized they were closely linked by reflexes in the autonomic nervous system. Pavlov wanted to see if external stimuli could affect this process, so he rang a bell at the same time he gave food to his dogs. After a while, the dogs - which before only salivated when they saw and ate their food - began to salivate whenever the bell rang, even if no food were present. This became popularly known as a conditioned reflex, and the learning process became known as "conditioning." Meanwhile, back at the craps table, where some gamblers think they can anticipate the future outcome of the roll based on past events. In truly random games such notions are nothing more than superstition that grow out of conditioning. Just as an example, let’s consider the belief that “if the dice go off the table the seven will roll next.” In fact, based on a pure random roll the seven WILL roll approximately 17% of the time – no matter when the dice are tossed. Let’s say one person at the table believes in the superstition and calls his bets off. If the seven does not appear the next toss nobody really things much about it because it has no effect on their own wagers. But supposed the seven does roll next? Everyone playing the right side of the game would lose their wagers while the “superstitious” player’s action stayed up. A bell has rung. Ring it often enough and an association will be made. And when that association is made one more person begins to believe. The greater question is whether or not subscribing to these superstitions does any harm? With superstitions that prompt the player to turn his bets off – the answer is no. In the “dice off the table” example, the player turned his bets off. On the next roll of the dice he could not win – but neither could he lose. And if you follow the math of the game that means he will ultimately lose less. There are times when superstitions can become expensive. The old “see a horn bet a horn” belief is a good example. Like the all-powerful seven, a horn number will roll about 17% of the time. But that means it will NOT roll 83% of the time. Toss out a $4 horn bet and lose it and it’s no big deal in most players’ minds. Toss it out and win $27 on the roll of a twelve and it IS a big deal. The player remembers the big wins – but his mind skips over the losses. But we know for a fact that if you bet the horn at this level over the long haul you will lose $24 for every 36 wagers. Over a series of sessions that can add up to a substantial edge you’re giving up to the house. Many precision shooters use superstitions a bit differently. They use them, along with knowledge of which sets are being used, to read the table and the shooter. If, for example, you see a player setting the V-3, then tossing an ace-deuce craps you know he’s had a three-face shift of the dice on axis. You also know that if he does not correct the grip or toss issue that caused the excess rotation of one die that there is a likelihood that the ace-deuce or yo will show again. So, you toss out $2 on the ace-deuce/yo or a $4 horn and look for a lightning strike. It happens all the time. My advice for players looking to play the hops and props – dedicate a very small portion of you session money for this type of play, then set some very firm rules regarding when and how you’ll play that action. Oh, and save that salivating for the steak house.
138 59be53bde1 [color=blue:59be53bde1][b:59be53bde1] Feb 3, 2010[/b:59be53bde1] [/color:59be53bde1] “No Snow Tomorrow,” that’s a good Omen. I paid all my bills for the month today so I’m ready for tomorrow’s get together with Irionside. I’m going to take it easy the first time around to see which way the table is trending to. At that point I’ll either place the 6 and 8 or play the Don’t Pass only. I have no idea where I’ll be shooting from though, that’s the only bad part about tomorrow. If they would only open all 4 tables at one time when they open the casino up, everything would be great. But that isn’t going to happen. $5Bill
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