Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

OK, well you guys are assuming that a hedge can't win. I'm not so sure about that. OK Deep lob #13 is done and I've doubled my bankroll basically with 1 hand. It took 12 books to get to that hand, but I got there eventually. I may have settled on a set- a 2v variant -22 on top 14 facing. BT says it ...

Hi London Shooter, I'm experimenting with the hedge in an effort to even out the volatility and reduce the BR requirements for EO. I don't think there is anything wrong per se with EO, but I'm trying to tweak it a little to improve it. Ideally, I would be able to construct a hedge that wins a little...

I think the reason crapsters don't want to use EO is because there are frequent painful periods between big hands, and the BR requirements are so high. ($10K for the $10 come bettor.) I'm testing different hedge strategies to see if they can lessen the blow of downward variance to make EO a more fri...

Hi SIA, I know I'm going against most if not all the experts here, and I am probably absolutely chock full of sh$t, but I don't believe in regressions. They simply don't work for me. I've lost a lot of money using regressions. Not funny money, I'm talking about the real stuff. The kind that gets yuo...

Hi LL, I'm guessing that I will ultimately agree with your point of view, but I'm checking things out first to make sure.

I'm against any "and down" system. The more I play, the more I see the the value in the long hand. I'm convinced that without them, there's no winning at craps.

Thanks mssthis- They are for me. BTW, I posted this story not to brag about my shooting, (as I said srr under 6) but to brag about EO. RC was a smart dude.

Once in a while everyone runs into a hand and thats what happened this afternoon at casino Americraps. Its been maybe 6 months since I've had a 50 roller, so I was due. This one was 51 rolls from start to finish. Guess how much I made using EOBS2? $10 units. $13,275 profit. I got up to house max on ...

Deep lob 11 is done- SRR of 6.86. EOBS2 had a healthy win of $4686, led by a 43 roll hand (my first in months) that netted $2615 of profit. The hedge lost $710. My throw is looking good with 45.97% on axis and 12.5% primaries vs 10% DPs. I'm going to define my hedge because it is morphing as I get a...

OK, thanks guys

I have since abandoned the Heavy 7 don't progression due to an abundance of comeout sevens, and tried a few others with similar failings. Right now, I'm using a 2 part hedge. 1) I bet a flat $50 DP with a $9 hopping sevens on CO. 2) If I get to 4 numbers working with no repeaters on the EO side, I s...

How do you feel about laying something on the comeout to protect the DP? Are you working the 6 & 8 on the comeout?

It looks like you can make some $$ on a long hand, while covering your butt against a short hand.

I'm interested to see what the outcome of this is Heavy.

Hi LS- Yes the exposure gets a little uncomfortable when you have $360 out there and no repeaters, that's what the hedge is for. I'm trying to make the hedge profitable on its own, not an expense. Hi 6 shooter- Right now, I'm playing a $10 game, and whats painful is a CO Yo. I don't have a hedge for...

As an update, to my ongoing experiment combining the EOBS2 (exponential odds bootstrapper 2) with a don't strategy for a hedge. I've abandoned the Heavy 7. It didn't work due to too many CO sevens and elevens. After that I tried a 4 step negative progression on the DP 1,3,8,19. That didn't work eith...

I'm using come bets in practice right now at the $10 level. The press schedule for the 6 /8 is a turtle compared to the strategies above, but there is racked profit from the first repeater, and since there's no regression the racked profits get pretty hefty on a long hand. Hit 1) Come bet travels -i...

I like that play. Once you get past the CO, you can't lose. I'm testing the Heavy 7 combined with an exponential odds variant right now. The first book had both winning. The second book is 1/2 done and the EO is winning twice as much money as H7 is losing. I think I can tweek the H7 to work better w...

What is the no roll dice in the bowl bonus?

The ATS and come betting are both sort of aligned, increasing your per hand volatility. It might be interesting to toss a DC bet in there as a countermeasure/hedge instead. WHile you're not a favorite to win both bets, it could happen. A more likely outcome is the ATS will go down and you'll get pai...